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Post by carbonara <3 on Oct 3, 2015 12:33:39 GMT -5
I've been looking into this a bit more, mainly the activity of moderators and administrators, as well as some level judges, and I can only say that I am appalled by the ignorance of the vast majority of them. One thing a few have already noticed is the very little attention and time megaman is giving to this system of "tag my name and I'll move threads". I have seen countless people tagging his name and only a very small fraction of them either get and official review or moved into another sub-forum. This isn't the biggest of issues, not by far. In fact, in comparison to what some others are doing, I am glad that megaman is actually keeping his promise (somewhat) of dealing with posts where his name has been tagged. The biggest issue is what the moderators are doing. The vast majority of them are active, but only seem to be paying attention to the bits outside of the beating heart of this forum, which, yet again, brings me back to the original point I was making. It requires extreme levels of pure idiocy to bring up a system that staff are not going to be paying any attention to whatsoever. It's great that you are posting, engaging with community and moderating where necessary, but the part of the forum that requires the most attention and moderation is being almost completely ignored. We shouldn't be running into pages of level suggestions, a new level is posted every couple of hours or so, and I know I am capable of reviewing several levels every hour, and when you multiply this by the huge number of moderators and level judges it just shows how little attention is being given to it. And that is the thing. Personally, I feel that the moderators and staff realise how much work is necessary, leading to them not taking responsibility. I don't know, I might be wrong, but the simple fact that their activity is everywhere but this all-important section can only be explained by them totally ignoring this section. A moderator should never do anything like this. This brings me back to the point I made originally about trust, and I am going to add something to it. After discovering what is actually occuring, a new level of trust has appeared. I don't know if others will feel the same, but I'm beginning to lose my trust in this forum's staff, simply because they aren't doing their job properly. Add this to the fact that the staff seems to have trust issues among themselves, and it all adds to the fact that something desperately needs to be done, something that apparently has to be done by R4ZOR (tagging you, because I feel this is important: R4Z0R) The last time this happened on a forum (big trust issues and massive ignorance on the behalf of the staff), the entire forum had to get together on one thread asking for a new line-up of moderators, and although that wasn't achieved, we did manage to get one new moderator, and although things aren't perfect, he literally runs the entire forum now and is one of the best moderators I have ever seen. You can look for yourselves if you want: www.rigsofrods.com/threads/115682-New-moderator-team - Jump to page 4 and 5 to see when things got a bit more heated and the moment this mod I am mentioning got his "new powers" And according to zeCookie, he can't access the forum. That's not strictly, he claimed about a week ago that his was grounded, and he has since been active, probably on multiple occasions. It's not that he can't access the forums, it's more he shouldn't be accessing the forums. It's most likely that he has been allowed some device of some sort that allows him access to the forum, but not something that allows him to make changes to the forum. That's perfectly understandable, and I don't expect much to happen that has to be dealt with by him until he has full access again. This does not mean the the remainder of the staff can't be sorting things out among themselves and making their own changes. This complete inactivity in the beating heart of the forum, like I mentioned earlier, is dreadful. It doesn't take much time to write a review and move a thread, and you all seem to have more than enough time on your hands in order to do this. You just don't. I've tagged all of you staff (those who are active, at least): carbonara <3 Drakaglin Glittershroom hinds iFresternoch ( ͡° ͜o ͡°) QJrocks Riot RyanAB Shocksidian Sigma Tundra Tygrysek Viprin @rikka Zobros @stardust1971 You are all more than capable at doing your job, that is clear, and a lot of you should know exactly what to expect from a level and should therefore be able to run the centre of this forum ever so beautifully. Just please do something, or at least let me know what you think should and shouldn't be done. Once all of this is somewhat sorted, perhaps then it would be a good idea to see who's ideal for the job of level judge (and I still continue to say, I am here if needed) Thanks /rant (again) to be honest yes, I have never been active in these "levels boards", about 90% of my posts are on General Discussion, News, Forum games and the Nonsense Lounge (deleted a while ago). I know that it is a bad situation that most of the staff are not interested neither by levels boards, and I assume that even knowing that I'm still not interested in these particular boards. I don't know what admins are going to do but I think that people like you who are indeed interested in these boards should be able to moderate them Sorry for not interesting myself in this board, I know how irresponsable it is :/ |
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Post by Viceroy on Oct 3, 2015 12:34:37 GMT -5
Cheeseman (not quoting that huge post) Everything you said here hits the nail on the head. We need active mods, and people we can trust. If we can't get more global mods/admins, then we should at least get people who can monitor small threads. And, like you, I still volunteer to be judge. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 13:10:38 GMT -5
well, I tend to check almost every thread I get tagged on, though the thing is, that I leave the level suggestion things up to megamen. If you tag me in those threads, I'll take a look at it and move it around, but I don't do reviews myself mostly. And I've never been tagged in a thread in the level suggestions. Though I agree that we need more level jugdes, yet this forum kinda "froze" since r4z0r isnt here anymore.
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Post by Glittershroom on Oct 3, 2015 13:22:39 GMT -5
I'm literally not capable to do more stuff in this forum. My pc broke and i have to manage this forum from my phone, which means that i have limited stuff i can do.
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Post by Jumpyhead on Oct 3, 2015 15:34:48 GMT -5
Btw I'm not gonna review as often anymore since the mods just ignore what I say 50% of the time and move it wherever THEY want...plus most of the time they don't even look at my review and the thread just collects dust...
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Post by Viprin on Oct 3, 2015 16:27:42 GMT -5
I don't have anything to do with the level suggestions/requests threads the other mods made. It's not my responsibility to take care of their idea and judge levels that were sent to them. But I do understand what you mean, and I've seen it myself too.
I do plan on making my own level request thread, that will be used for my new "level request" series on YouTube. You basically have to submit your level in the thread (not in the comments of my youtube video like before), which will also bring more people to the forum. Me and some others will go through all the levels, and we wont give judge it or give any feedback, but just send all the good ones to RobTop for rating. The thing is though, that I think it will get spammed with requests like crazy (like my youtube comment section got before), and I won't be able to send a lot of levels to RobTop at a time. (he doesn't have time to rate a lot of levels, so usually when I send 10-15 at a time, he only rates the last 5-10)
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Post by Cheeseman on Oct 3, 2015 17:51:38 GMT -5
Well I thought what I may have been saying wasn't going to be the actual case, but it appears it is. I could go through every single one of you individually and say things, but it's just best to say things as a whole. I still can't get my head round the fact that literally none of you show any interest in the thing this entire forum is based on. The centre, the beating heart of this entire forum, and literally no interest is shown by those who have the most importance in this forum. And then there's the fact that all of you realise this and aren't going to really do much in order to change the way you are doing things. That is even more mind-boggling. You may not be interested, but your job here as a moderator is to moderate the forum, and now, in addition to that, sort out all of these levels after being judged by level judges. Interested or not, it still needs to be done. Also, I see how little this was discussed amongst you all. Viprin, you claim to have absolutely nothing to do with the level suggestions board that the "moderators" created. Last time I checked, moderators couldn't create entirely new sections of forums and that was soemthing for forum administrators to do. Maybe it's different here, I don't know, but something when something as drastic as this happens you'd expect this to all be discussed and brought together by everybody. How can an admin have nothing to do with what the mods are doing? How can an admin have nothing to do with an entire section of the forum? You are an admin, and no matter what happens it is your duty to deal with whatever there may be to deal with. It IS your responsibility to care for what they are doing, perhaps not judge levels, but you are an admin and you take responsibility for the entire forum. All this "it's not my job, it's someone else's" business it complete nonsense. If you are a global moderator or admin, everything on the entire forum is somewhat your responsibility, it's in the definition of the word. You may not need to judge, but when a judge, a person chosen by you to review levels and then ask you to move them to the appropriate forum, asks for something to get moved, you don't go and say "it's not my job, it's someone else's". No matter where the thread may be, you move it if needed. Even if you are limited to your phone and you can't do these things, you should still be active throughout the entire forum and there if needed. I don't know how much can be done from a phone, but I imagine that some moderation powers must be available, so something could be done even if it isn't everything. Start taking responsibility, it's your jobs. Please. I am glad that some of you have come along and decided to have your say on the thing. It's now clearer than ever, something needs to be sorted. |
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Post by Sigma on Oct 3, 2015 18:03:19 GMT -5
Deleted the Quote cos its too long  In fairness I think you're raising a very valid point :/ The thing is my own activity isn't really represented by the fact I'm online. Most of the time I'm logged on anyway (on my phone overnight etc...). I do like to take pride in wanting the forums to be the best that they can possibly be however this isn't the only responsibility I, or any other members of the staff team (more than likely) have. I'm sorry if there may have been any disappointment caused in the past and is making me think that maybe I should be more responsible in Taking care of the forums and in order to do so I need to organize myself a bit more (I have lots of irl work too) so that there is time for monitoring the forums and time towards doing my other hobbies/responsibilities. Just so that everyone knows I always read posts that I'm tagged in so if you need help of any kind then tag me and Ill be sure to read it when I notice  IDK why people haven't done this before on a more regular basis :S (Keep in mind that Ill only respond or act upon anything that is relevant) EDIT: Reading your latest post I need to rephrase that last sentence: I'm not involved with the level moderation staff so I don't really know whats going on with that. |
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Post by Viprin on Oct 3, 2015 18:08:26 GMT -5
Well I thought what I may have been saying wasn't going to be the actual case, but it appears it is. I could go through every single one of you individually and say things, but it's just best to say things as a whole. I still can't get my head round the fact that literally none of you show any interest in the thing this entire forum is based on. The centre, the beating heart of this entire forum, and literally no interest is shown by those who have the most importance in this forum. And then there's the fact that all of you realise this and aren't going to really do much in order to change the way you are doing things. That is even more mind-boggling. You may not be interested, but your job here as a moderator is to moderate the forum, and now, in addition to that, sort out all of these levels after being judged by level judges. Interested or not, it still needs to be done. Also, I see how little this was discussed amongst you all. Viprin, you claim to have absolutely nothing to do with the level suggestions board that the "moderators" created. Last time I checked, moderators couldn't create entirely new sections of forums and that was soemthing for forum administrators to do. Maybe it's different here, I don't know, but something when something as drastic as this happens you'd expect this to all be discussed and brought together by everybody. How can an admin have nothing to do with what the mods are doing? How can an admin have nothing to do with an entire section of the forum? You are an admin, and no matter what happens it is your duty to deal with whatever there may be to deal with. It IS your responsibility to care for what they are doing, perhaps not judge levels, but you are an admin and you take responsibility for the entire forum. All this "it's not my job, it's someone else's" business it complete nonsense. If you are a global moderator or admin, everything on the entire forum is somewhat your responsibility, it's in the definition of the word. You may not need to judge, but when a judge, a person chosen by you to review levels and then ask you to move them to the appropriate forum, asks for something to get moved, you don't go and say "it's not my job, it's someone else's". No matter where the thread may be, you move it if needed. Even if you are limited to your phone and you can't do these things, you should still be active throughout the entire forum and there if needed. I don't know how much can be done from a phone, but I imagine that some moderation powers must be available, so something could be done even if it isn't everything. Start taking responsibility, it's your jobs. Please. I am glad that some of you have come along and decided to have your say on the thing. It's now clearer than ever, something needs to be sorted. Hey and thanks for replying. I understand that something has to be done, and I will talk to the others. My role on this forum is somewhat complicated you might say, because I was suddenly asked to be an admin to promote the forums, and I specifically told R4Z0R that I wouldn't be able to be very active on the forums. I have maybe posted about 30 (?) posts on this forum, and that's because I actually have a lot of things to do besides this forum, and I don't really get a lot of time for it. My YouTube channel, my gd levels, school and other things I do in real life come first. I will try to be more active though. But what I was saying is that I was only made admin to promote the forums, I don't know why I got this role in the first place, which might also be a problem in this forum. Suddenly I was asked if I wanted to be administrator to promote the forums, so I said yes because promoting is something I can do on my YouTube channel. I think you should discuss more about this with R4Z0R (who isn't available atm), because he is the head admin. I understand what you say about me having to take more responsibility when I'm an admin, but as I said, I suddenly got the admin role thrown at me out of nowhere so I could promote the forums. I believe R4Z0R made the level suggestion/request board, so it would be better if he fixes what has to be fixed. I have also never used freeforums beforehand, so I probably only know about 1/4 of the functions I have atm. I don't deserve to be an admin at all in my opinion, but when I was offered it I said "I can try but I don't know if I'll have enough time". I'll try to learn what I can do, and look more into the different sections of the forums (I have only used general discussion until now). Hope you understand |
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Post by Jumpyhead on Oct 3, 2015 18:22:08 GMT -5
Well I thought what I may have been saying wasn't going to be the actual case, but it appears it is. I could go through every single one of you individually and say things, but it's just best to say things as a whole. I still can't get my head round the fact that literally none of you show any interest in the thing this entire forum is based on. The centre, the beating heart of this entire forum, and literally no interest is shown by those who have the most importance in this forum. And then there's the fact that all of you realise this and aren't going to really do much in order to change the way you are doing things. That is even more mind-boggling. You may not be interested, but your job here as a moderator is to moderate the forum, and now, in addition to that, sort out all of these levels after being judged by level judges. Interested or not, it still needs to be done. Also, I see how little this was discussed amongst you all. Viprin, you claim to have absolutely nothing to do with the level suggestions board that the "moderators" created. Last time I checked, moderators couldn't create entirely new sections of forums and that was soemthing for forum administrators to do. Maybe it's different here, I don't know, but something when something as drastic as this happens you'd expect this to all be discussed and brought together by everybody. How can an admin have nothing to do with what the mods are doing? How can an admin have nothing to do with an entire section of the forum? You are an admin, and no matter what happens it is your duty to deal with whatever there may be to deal with. It IS your responsibility to care for what they are doing, perhaps not judge levels, but you are an admin and you take responsibility for the entire forum. All this "it's not my job, it's someone else's" business it complete nonsense. If you are a global moderator or admin, everything on the entire forum is somewhat your responsibility, it's in the definition of the word. You may not need to judge, but when a judge, a person chosen by you to review levels and then ask you to move them to the appropriate forum, asks for something to get moved, you don't go and say "it's not my job, it's someone else's". No matter where the thread may be, you move it if needed. Even if you are limited to your phone and you can't do these things, you should still be active throughout the entire forum and there if needed. I don't know how much can be done from a phone, but I imagine that some moderation powers must be available, so something could be done even if it isn't everything. Start taking responsibility, it's your jobs. Please. I am glad that some of you have come along and decided to have your say on the thing. It's now clearer than ever, something needs to be sorted. It's so obvious megaman9 didn't put enough thought into how the level feedback system would work... Honestly I'm fine if the mods think it's not their responsibility and appoint a few judges to judge the levels.. But if you appoint a judge, don't just ignore what they say. Don't just think whatever you say is automatically superior. Because after all, you were the people that appointed us because of YOUR lack of free time! |
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Post by RyanAB on Oct 3, 2015 19:30:44 GMT -5
the only active judge seems to be jumpyhead, and it is necessary to have new judges imo. More judges need to be chosen I would be active, but school ;a; |
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Post by Cheeseman on Oct 3, 2015 19:47:06 GMT -5
It appears I learn more worrying things every time I say something and people reply... There is one thing I ought to clarify. If you have many things than need to be done in your everyday lives that are more important than moderating or being an admin on this forum, these things should always remain more important. I don't expect you to spend every living moment on here doing what you need to do, but that isn't the point I was originally making. It's when you are on here where things go a bit wrong. Sigma, you've made a very good point in there yourself that I feel that us general users need to be better informed about, something that has only really been used by few more recently. As you say, if you tag a moderator on a post, they're most likely going to look at it. Quite a lot of people don't realise that, but me tagging almost every single relatively active moderator on this forum has quite clearly worked. Obviously, it needs to be something relevant, like you say, but many don't realise it is there and not many use it when they can do. Viprin, that's probably another issue. It makes no sense to recruit people to do certain jobs who originally state that they are highly unlikely to execute. More importantly, there is no need to make someone an admin if their sole purpose is to promote the forum. You still do that, and you have big plans by the looks of things, but there was no real need to make you an admin. There is no true relation between administering a forum and promoting a forum. Administration is responsibility and management, a point I have already made, and promotion is, well promotion. An administrator, if they really care for the forum and the task they have been set, should promote (far from necessary though), but a person who promotes a forum doesn't need to be an administrator. And it is clear to me that you feel the same. And then Mr. Jumpyhead posted, and I think I have found something else out that I find rather disturbing. Was this whole thing literally a discussion between Megaman and Razor? It has seemed like it might have been that way, but it looks as if that is the case now. You moderators and even administrators seem about as well informed as I am, which is utterly shocking. I've said it once and I have said it again, this whole thing was abominably organised. You all should have been made somewhat involved in this; it's a huge change that has been made, but more importantly, you should have been well informed and the whole matter should have been discussed. You can't change a law without discussing it first, and the same thing applies to running a forum. You simply do not make changes without discussing things among the administrators or even the moderators first (even better if you communicate and discuss things with the remainder of the community, too). And Jumpyhead, I wouldn't start getting irate about the fact that you were appointed because of the moderators' lack of time, since you haven't exactly been doing much reviewing yourself. Just thought I would mention that. Hopefully R4Z0R will be back soon so that this can be discussed properly. |
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Post by Viprin on Oct 3, 2015 19:59:48 GMT -5
It appears I learn more worrying things every time I say something and people reply... There is one thing I ought to clarify. If you have many things than need to be done in your everyday lives that are more important than moderating or being an admin on this forum, these things should always remain more important. I don't expect you to spend every living moment on here doing what you need to do, but that isn't the point I was originally making. It's when you are on here where things go a bit wrong. Sigma, you've made a very good point in there yourself that I feel that us general users need to be better informed about, something that has only really been used by few more recently. As you say, if you tag a moderator on a post, they're most likely going to look at it. Quite a lot of people don't realise that, but me tagging almost every single relatively active moderator on this forum has quite clearly worked. Obviously, it needs to be something relevant, like you say, but many don't realise it is there and not many use it when they can do. Viprin, that's probably another issue. It makes no sense to recruit people to do certain jobs who originally state that they are highly unlikely to execute. More importantly, there is no need to make someone an admin if their sole purpose is to promote the forum. You still do that, and you have big plans by the looks of things, but there was no real need to make you an admin. There is no true relation between administering a forum and promoting a forum. Administration is responsibility and management, a point I have already made, and promotion is, well promotion. An administrator, if they really care for the forum and the task they have been set, should promote (far from necessary though), but a person who promotes a forum doesn't need to be an administrator. And it is clear to me that you feel the same. And then Mr. Jumpyhead posted, and I think I have found something else out that I find rather disturbing. Was this whole thing literally a discussion between Megaman and Razor? It has seemed like it might have been that way, but it looks as if that is the case now. You moderators and even administrators seem about as well informed as I am, which is utterly shocking. I've said it once and I have said it again, this whole thing was abominably organised. You all should have been made somewhat involved in this; it's a huge change that has been made, but more importantly, you should have been well informed and the whole matter should have been discussed. You can't change a law without discussing it first, and the same thing applies to running a forum. You simply do not make changes without discussing things among the administrators or even the moderators first (even better if you communicate and discuss things with the remainder of the community, too). And Jumpyhead, I wouldn't start getting irate about the fact that you were appointed because of the moderators' lack of time, since you haven't exactly been doing much reviewing yourself. Just thought I would mention that. Hopefully R4Z0R will be back soon so that this can be discussed properly. Yep, I agree with you 100% on all points. I don't know a lot about the level suggestion board, since it was planned between only a few mods and R4Z0R I believe. I've only seen some mods chat about how to judge levels properly but that's about it. I think it would be wrong for me to just jump in without knowing anything about it and try to fix it, without even knowing what I'm doing. This forum needs more devoted staff. Half of the staff are "known" creators that spend a lot of time creating levels, and most of us also play a lot of levels. If you add this up with all we have to do in real life, we don't really have much time left for this forum. It would obviously be better to have staff that actually has time and a lot of ideas for this forum, that can actually care a lot about the small community we have made for ourselves on this forum. R4Z0R did some good changes, but now he has limited time for the forums, and there's really no person that is "in charge" here nowadays. I don't want to put 100% of myself into making this forum sadly. About a year ago I made a team called Team Geometrified, with a channel, forum and everything. It was a lot of hard work and we had a lot of members, but after a while I started getting really tired of being the leader, so it all just fell apart after that. I don't wanna put myself in such a position anymore, because I wouldn't be able to handle it. It's just too much stress dealing with all these different things. |
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Post by Cinereal on Oct 3, 2015 20:19:40 GMT -5
I still need to get the bigger story, are we talking about the level judge moderating or just moderating in general? Either way, I do agree what pretty much everyone is saying. We do need more moderators to run this forum, that's probably more important than moderators running a sub-board.
Also, If you ever want to remove me as a moderator from the sub-board due to my inactivity there and replace me with someone more engaged to level reviewing, feel free. I only rate around 2 levels a day, if not less. And I can tell that I'm not doing as good reviewing as many others I've seen.
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Post by ~Pear~ on Oct 3, 2015 20:23:20 GMT -5
Well, it seems to be there is a lot of hiring to be done D:
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IDK why people haven't done this before on a more regular basis :S (Keep in mind that Ill only respond or act upon anything that is relevant)
