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Post by ~Pear~ on Sept 20, 2015 18:19:47 GMT -5
the only active judge seems to be jumpyhead, and it is necessary to have new judges imo. More judges need to be chosen
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Post by Jumpyhead on Sept 20, 2015 18:39:20 GMT -5
the only active judge seems to be jumpyhead, and it is necessary to have new judges imo. More judges need to be chosen Not to mention that stardust and tundra seem to hate me... Tundra said that none of the mods trust me, therefore I don't have perms and can't move levels to the correct board by myself. They don't even think I should be a level judge  |
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Post by ~Pear~ on Sept 20, 2015 18:54:03 GMT -5
youre doing a pretty good job, considering they arent judging levels at all.
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Post by Jumpyhead on Sept 20, 2015 18:55:27 GMT -5
youre doing a pretty good job, considering they arent judging levels at all. Thx  |
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Post by DyucFkemAdd on Sept 20, 2015 20:42:17 GMT -5
Wow star and tundra sound like jerks rn :/
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Post by M i 7 4 on Oct 2, 2015 11:26:38 GMT -5
Mods are jerks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by Viceroy on Oct 2, 2015 11:48:52 GMT -5
I've been judging a lot, megaman was supposed to ask R4Z0R to add the permissions...(shameless tag) We had a thread about this a few days back. Hopefully he'll put me in >.< also, what would I gain from messing with the forum, that is the question...Does he expect people to go on a thread-moving rampage? |
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Post by M i 7 4 on Oct 2, 2015 12:00:02 GMT -5
I could be a level judging mod, I'm shiet at playing and not that good at building so I have nothing better to judge lel
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Post by Cheeseman on Oct 2, 2015 17:59:06 GMT -5
Honestly, we shouldn't be focusing on the "level judge" issue right now, it's what's going on in forum management and amongst the level judges themselves.
The whole forum was temporarily shut down in order to introduce a new system for these levels, and so far it is going horrendously. This new system is not hard to get right whatsoever, but the admins/moderators appear to have no idea what they are doing, and if this "hatred" thing is going on between level judges things are only going to get worse.
What is the point in deleting thousands of people's posts, some of which people had worked lengthy periods of time on, only to go and implement a system that nobody is willing to follow properly? What kind of monumental plonker decided to allow level judges to give official verdicts on levels but not allow them to move threads to the appropriate sub-forum? What kind of lunacy is required in order to choose people you don't even like or trust to become a level judge? This whole thing seems like it wasn't even thought out, let alone thought out properly.
The only solution I can think of is starting fresh.
We can't continue with moderators who don't trust the level judges and level judges that don't trust each other. I still can't imagine what was running through the admins/mods minds when they decided to choose people they don't like or trust to do something that required heaploads of trust. What's happened here is a system has been implemented by them and now they are doing almost everything possible to make it impossible to do. Where is the logic in this?
The moderators need to re-think who should be level judges and choose people who are not only capable of writing a half-decent, well-written review on a level, but also someone they believe they can trust and get along with. It is hard to explain why this didn't happen in the first place, but it didn't. It's almost as if they decided to just choose at random, if I am honest. I am not saying that you level judges are bad at your job, I am just emphasising on the fact that the organisers did exactly what they shouldn't have done; virtually nothing.
The admins/moderators ought to reconsider giving level judges at least the power to move threads, but I have no idea what powers can be given individually on this forum. Thing is though, if it isn't possible to do individually, it brings me back to the point of "trust", so it shouldn't matter if somebody gets a few extra "powers" thrown in if they can trust the person they are giving it to.
Some of the level judges need to grow up and start acting responible and begin to do everything they possibly can to get their job done (which many aren't) and build trust and a positive relation with those who chose them to do level reviewing. There is no point in being assigned a task that you are never going to do and show such levels of irresponsibility towards those who chose them to do what is, quite honestly, a rather simple task. I've been having a go at it myself (if nobody has noticed) and it takes very little time to indeed, and I am pretty sure my reviews aren't that bad.
The level judges need to start working together in order to get their job done properly. Wouldn't it be a load better if several level judges reviewed a level so that the opinions can be combined, therefore giving a more accurate and thorough verdict on the level, meaning it is less likely to end up in what most people believe to be the wrong sub-forum? How can the reviewing be accurately done when only one person with limited time is the one willing to do all the reviewing?
Once all of this has been reconisdered and thought through properly by the moderators, maybe then it would be an idea for them to ask who is willing to write reviews. It's their job, and right now they are doing it appallingly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 18:08:25 GMT -5
Honestly, we shouldn't be focusing on the "level judge" issue right now, it's what's going on in forum management and amongst the level judges themselves. The whole forum was temporarily shut down in order to introduce a new system for these levels, and so far it is going horrendously. This new system is not hard to get right whatsoever, but the admins/moderators appear to have no idea what they are doing, and if this "hatred" thing is going on between level judges things are only going to get worse. What is the point in deleting thousands of people's posts, some of which people had worked lengthy periods of time on, only to go and implement a system that nobody is willing to follow properly? What kind of monumental plonker decided to allow level judges to give official verdicts on levels but not allow them to move threads to the appropriate sub-forum? What kind of lunacy is required in order to choose people you don't even like or trust to become a level judge? This whole thing seems like it wasn't even thought out, let alone thought out properly. The only solution I can think of is starting fresh. We can't continue with moderators who don't trust the level judges and level judges that don't trust each other. I still can't imagine what was running through the admins/mods minds when they decided to choose people they don't like or trust to do something that required heaploads of trust. What's happened here is a system has been implemented by them and now they are doing almost everything possible to make it impossible to do. Where is the logic in this? The moderators need to re-think who should be level judges and choose people who are not only capable of writing a half-decent, well-written review on a level, but also someone they believe they can trust and get along with. It is hard to explain why this didn't happen in the first place, but it didn't. It's almost as if they decided to just choose at random, if I am honest. I am not saying that you level judges are bad at your job, I am just emphasising on the fact that the organisers did exactly what they shouldn't have done; virtually nothing. The admins/moderators ought to reconsider giving level judges at least the power to move threads, but I have no idea what powers can be given individually on this forum. Thing is though, if it isn't possible to do individually, it brings me back to the point of "trust", so it shouldn't matter if somebody gets a few extra "powers" thrown in if they can trust the person they are giving it to. Some of the level judges need to grow up and start acting responible and begin to do everything they possibly can to get their job done (which many aren't) and build trust and a positive relation with those who chose them to do level reviewing. There is no point in being assigned a task that you are never going to do and show such levels of irresponsibility towards those who chose them to do what is, quite honestly, a rather simple task. I've been having a go at it myself (if nobody has noticed) and it takes very little time to indeed, and I am pretty sure my reviews aren't that bad. The level judges need to start working together in order to get their job done properly. Wouldn't it be a load better if several level judges reviewed a level so that the opinions can be combined, therefore giving a more accurate and thorough verdict on the level, meaning it is less likely to end up in what most people believe to be the wrong sub-forum? How can the reviewing be accurately done when only one person with limited time is the one willing to do all the reviewing? Once all of this has been reconisdered and thought through properly by the moderators, maybe then it would be an idea for them to ask who is willing to write reviews. It's their job, and right now they are doing it appallingly. /rant The judges do not have any powers yet because R4Z0R cannot access the forum, and therefore not being able to create the Level Judge group, also it would be a stupid idea to, because of this, give them the Global Moderator status, which is another way to wrongly solve this, if any admin dares to do so. |
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Post by Cheeseman on Oct 2, 2015 18:11:37 GMT -5
The judges do not have any powers yet because R4Z0R cannot access the forum, and therefore not being able to create the Level Judge group, also it would be a stupid idea to, because of this, give them the Global Moderator status, which is another way to wrongly solve this, if any admin dares to do so. Fair enough, but who was the clever spark who decided to not sort that out beforehand and not think half of this process through in the first place? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 19:06:26 GMT -5
The judges do not have any powers yet because R4Z0R cannot access the forum, and therefore not being able to create the Level Judge group, also it would be a stupid idea to, because of this, give them the Global Moderator status, which is another way to wrongly solve this, if any admin dares to do so. Fair enough, but who was the clever spark who decided to not sort that out beforehand and not think half of this process through in the first place? Don't ask me, i just volunteered as the final boss of the judge system |
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Post by WillFlame on Oct 3, 2015 7:33:05 GMT -5
Wait... why can't R4ZOR access the forum?
The system Megaman suggested, members writing reviews and tagging him, actually wouldn't be too bad, except for the fact that he never checks his tags (evident in my level reviews). The problem is that it will end up being a lot of work for him if he ever decides to follow up with this, to check each tag and verify that the review is good, then moving them to each sub-forum individually.
Some of the current level judges aren't doing their job very often. I'm not going to keep writing reviews if no one's going to look at them. In fact, why should I post something in that sub-forum if it will never get looked at? ALL the pages past the first two have levels that have barely even been touched. If a level judge ever does try and do their job, they go right to the first page and review something. That's incredibly unfair. If that's the case, I see no point in following the "no double-posting rule" and will constantly bump my levels to get onto the first page. Is that what we want?
Seriously guys, like Cheeseman said, it's not that hard and doesn't take that long to review a level. You guys can do better than this.
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Post by ~Pear~ on Oct 3, 2015 8:03:56 GMT -5
Wait... why can't R4ZOR access the forum? The system Megaman suggested, members writing reviews and tagging him, actually wouldn't be too bad, except for the fact that he never checks his tags (evident in my level reviews). The problem is that it will end up being a lot of work for him if he ever decides to follow up with this, to check each tag and verify that the review is good, then moving them to each sub-forum individually. Some of the current level judges aren't doing their job very often. I'm not going to keep writing reviews if no one's going to look at them. In fact, why should I post something in that sub-forum if it will never get looked at? ALL the pages past the first two have levels that have barely even been touched. If a level judge ever does try and do their job, they go right to the first page and review something. That's incredibly unfair. If that's the case, I see no point in following the "no double-posting rule" and will constantly bump my levels to get onto the first page. Is that what we want? Seriously guys, like Cheeseman said, it's not that hard and doesn't take that long to review a level. You guys can do better than this. the system obviously wasn't thought through |
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Post by Cheeseman on Oct 3, 2015 12:12:11 GMT -5
I've been looking into this a bit more, mainly the activity of moderators and administrators, as well as some level judges, and I can only say that I am appalled by the ignorance of the vast majority of them. One thing a few have already noticed is the very little attention and time megaman is giving to this system of "tag my name and I'll move threads". I have seen countless people tagging his name and only a very small fraction of them either get and official review or moved into another sub-forum. This isn't the biggest of issues, not by far. In fact, in comparison to what some others are doing, I am glad that megaman is actually keeping his promise (somewhat) of dealing with posts where his name has been tagged. The biggest issue is what the moderators are doing. The vast majority of them are active, but only seem to be paying attention to the bits outside of the beating heart of this forum, which, yet again, brings me back to the original point I was making. It requires extreme levels of pure idiocy to bring up a system that staff are not going to be paying any attention to whatsoever. It's great that you are posting, engaging with community and moderating where necessary, but the part of the forum that requires the most attention and moderation is being almost completely ignored. We shouldn't be running into pages of level suggestions, a new level is posted every couple of hours or so, and I know I am capable of reviewing several levels every hour, and when you multiply this by the huge number of moderators and level judges it just shows how little attention is being given to it. And that is the thing. Personally, I feel that the moderators and staff realise how much work is necessary, leading to them not taking responsibility. I don't know, I might be wrong, but the simple fact that their activity is everywhere but this all-important section can only be explained by them totally ignoring this section. A moderator should never do anything like this. This brings me back to the point I made originally about trust, and I am going to add something to it. After discovering what is actually occuring, a new level of trust has appeared. I don't know if others will feel the same, but I'm beginning to lose my trust in this forum's staff, simply because they aren't doing their job properly. Add this to the fact that the staff seems to have trust issues among themselves, and it all adds to the fact that something desperately needs to be done, something that apparently has to be done by R4ZOR (tagging you, because I feel this is important: R4Z0R) The last time this happened on a forum (big trust issues and massive ignorance on the behalf of the staff), the entire forum had to get together on one thread asking for a new line-up of moderators, and although that wasn't achieved, we did manage to get one new moderator, and although things aren't perfect, he literally runs the entire forum now and is one of the best moderators I have ever seen. You can look for yourselves if you want: www.rigsofrods.com/threads/115682-New-moderator-team - Jump to page 4 and 5 to see when things got a bit more heated and the moment this mod I am mentioning got his "new powers" And according to zeCookie, he can't access the forum. That's not strictly true, he claimed about a week ago that he was grounded, and he has since been active, probably on multiple occasions. It's not that he can't access the forums, it's more he shouldn't be accessing the forums. It's most likely that he has been allowed some device of some sort that allows him access to the forum, but not something that allows him to make changes to the forum. That's perfectly understandable, and I don't expect much to happen that has to be dealt with by him until he has full access again. This does not mean the the remainder of the staff can't be sorting things out among themselves and making their own changes. This complete inactivity in the beating heart of the forum, like I mentioned earlier, is dreadful. It doesn't take much time to write a review and move a thread, and you all seem to have more than enough time on your hands in order to do this. You just don't. I've tagged all of you staff (those who are active, at least): carbonara <3 Drakaglin Glittershroom hinds iFresternoch ( ͡° ͜o ͡°) QJrocks Riot RyanAB Shocksidian Sigma Tundra Tygrysek Viprin @rikka Zobros @stardust1971 You are all more than capable at doing your job, that is clear, and a lot of you should know exactly what to expect from a level and should therefore be able to run the centre of this forum ever so beautifully. Just please do something, or at least let me know what you think should and shouldn't be done. Once all of this is somewhat sorted, perhaps then it would be a good idea to see who's ideal for the job of level judge (and I still continue to say, I am here if needed) Thanks /rant (again) |
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