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Post by S3rios on Nov 22, 2017 9:58:02 GMT -5
I love your selective responses to people. Ok so for one, Comcast is NOT against the repeal. Most ISPs actually SUPPORT the repeal, and the reason is because they get to charge more money for the internet as well as charging companies to get into the fast lane: "On Tuesday, Comcast swiftly threw its support behind Pai’s announcement. In two blog posts — one written by Comcast Senior VP and Chief Diversity Officer David L. Cohen and the other by Comcast Cable president and CEO Dave Watson — the executives say they commend Pai’s efforts to repeal the regulations. According to Cohen, the rules, specifically Title II classification, have harmed broadband investment and innovation. Read more at www.phillymag.com/business/2017/11/21/net-neutrality-comcast-fcc-repeal/#t6jdJttCpllchB7i.99" Now, Megaman clearly didn't understand your point, but THIS WILL NOT DRIVE COMPETITION. If this would drive competition, something big companies don't want, why would they all be in support of taking down the net neutrality laws? Again, these companies already have virtual monopolies over many areas, giving consumers 1 or 2 choices. More ISPs are not going to magically spring up once these laws are repealed. If more ISPs try to come into the market the big ISPs will do what they always do and sue them out or buy them out. In countries OUTSIDE the US, where consumers have a LOT of choices as far as ISPs are concerned, your argument makes more sense. But in the US that's simply not the case. I'm surprised this is a pinned thread this is not a bi-partisan issue even though the media pushes there agenda that it is. also, do you really think that companies like Comcast weren't already doing this during NN? they can just be open about it if they were doing things like this because all NN did was ensure that monopolies stayed in power! all these companies had to do now is pay politician and they would turn a blind eye this makes it to where smaller companies who cant pay off politicians can get these special benefits again solidifying monopolies place in the economy like do you really think that the government is going to every site checking for internet speeds? like really? again short term it may seem like the end of the world but long term this will wane the power of monopolies since they will no longer have a hold on the government... also less government the better in every case (besides military)  . overall NN harmed broadband investment and innovation and with the FCC transparency requirement and the restoration of the FTC‘s role in overseeing information services there will be less corruption that goes on with ISP's btw im getting this information from a buddy over at atlas telecom they may not be based in the US but they know well whats going on Oh I'm sure. And that's why every large ISP has endorsed this decision right? Because they WANT competition right? I seriously question if you know what you're talking about. Why would these big companies, who ALREADY have virtual monopolies, want to make it so that they have more competitors? That makes absolutely no sense. ISPs constantly lobby to undo these rules ( Source), and Verizon actually SUED THE FCC over these Net Neutrality rules ( Source). ALL of the major ISPs want them gone, and that's because they know they only have things to gain. All these large ISPs have already been able to stomp out competitors, and have admitted that they DO NOT COMPETE WITH EACHOTHER. 96% of Americans have access to 2 or fewer ISPs ( Source). If you're only given 2 choices how is there competition? Also stop acting like new startups will just magically pop onto the scene. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, etc are CONSTANTLY suing startups to keep their monopolies ( Source). Why do you think that will change just because Net Neutrality is gone? Now, these large ISPs can stop startups AND charge more money for your internet. Also if you want to know how this will affect competition, think of all the small businesses that use the internet. Now small upstart companies that rely on the internet won't be able to pay these huge ISPs enough money for premium speeds, causing their customers to either get slower internet or just be straight up blocked. After Net Neutrality is gone these huge ISPs can just throttle sites that don't pay them enough, instead making the CONSUMER pay more for them. Let's say I want to launch a video streaming service that will compete with Netflix and hulu. Under net neutrality, people visiting me get the same internet speed as the ones visiting Netflix. But without it, ISPs can force us to pay for faster internet. This will mean that Netflix, the larger company, will be able to pay for it while my startup will be stuck with slow internet, and then why would anyone use mine if they can get things faster on Netflix? So overall your points are incredibly incoherent and seem to rely on false facts. |
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Post by Klutch on Nov 22, 2017 10:15:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised this is a pinned thread this is not a bi-partisan issue even though the media pushes there agenda that it is. also, do you really think that companies like Comcast weren't already doing this during NN? they can just be open about it if they were doing things like this because all NN did was ensure that monopolies stayed in power! all these companies had to do now is pay politician and they would turn a blind eye this makes it to where smaller companies who cant pay off politicians can get these special benefits again solidifying monopolies place in the economy like do you really think that the government is going to every site checking for internet speeds? like really? again short term it may seem like the end of the world but long term this will wane the power of monopolies since they will no longer have a hold on the government... also less government the better in every case (besides military) . overall NN harmed broadband investment and innovation and with the FCC transparency requirement and the restoration of the FTC‘s role in overseeing information services there will be less corruption that goes on with ISP's btw im getting this information from a buddy over at atlas telecom they may not be based in the US but they know well whats going on Oh I'm sure. And that's why every large ISP has endorsed this decision right? Because they WANT competition right? I seriously question if you know what you're talking about. Why would these big companies, who ALREADY have virtual monopolies, want to make it so that they have more competitors? That makes absolutely no sense. ISPs constantly lobby to undo these rules ( Source), and Verizon actually SUED THE FCC over these Net Neutrality rules ( Source). ALL of the major ISPs want them gone, and that's because they know they only have things to gain. All these large ISPs have already been able to stomp out competitors, and have admitted that they DO NOT COMPETE WITH EACHOTHER. 96% of Americans have access to 2 or fewer ISPs ( Source). If you're only given 2 choices how is there competition? Also stop acting like new startups will just magically pop onto the scene. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, etc are CONSTANTLY suing startups to keep their monopolies ( Source). Why do you think that will change just because Net Neutrality is gone? Now, these large ISPs can stop startups AND charge more money for your internet. Also if you want to know how this will affect competition, think of all the small businesses that use the internet. Now small upstart companies that rely on the internet won't be able to pay these huge ISPs enough money for premium speeds, causing their customers to either get slower internet or just be straight up blocked. After Net Neutrality is gone these huge ISPs can just throttle sites that don't pay them enough, instead making the CONSUMER pay more for them. Let's say I want to launch a video streaming service that will compete with Netflix and hulu. Under net neutrality, people visiting me get the same internet speed as the ones visiting Netflix. But without it, ISPs can force us to pay for faster internet. This will mean that Netflix, the larger company, will be able to pay for it while my startup will be stuck with slow internet, and then why would anyone use mine if they can get things faster on Netflix? So overall your points are incredibly incoherent and seem to rely on false facts. I love this premium speeds idea that you guys thought up is hilarious I swear there is still no proof that this could happen, this premium speeds thing is still conspiracy propaganda to sway your opinion so you saying that this stupid premium speeds thing is going to happen is like me saying that competition will arise from this, it could happen but we don't know so you have no right to say that competitors wont start to outshine current "monopolies" after NN is repealed. look what most likely going to happen at the start of this is if you are paying full price for your current package well tada you will continue getting every server you want at the same speed however you can downgrade your package for way cheaper but services like social media or video services will be slowed but games and email will be fast or whatever you need in your day to day internet use. to me, that sounds like a good idea and a cheaper alternative to those who don't use every inch of the internet but have to pay for it regardless btw my facts arn't false they either i can throw some more sources at you if you want and i can continue to flood this thread with more info on why NN needs to go some info on why competition could start up and how easy it is: arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/Can megaman9 or someone please unpin this because like I said this is not bi-partisan and still a divisive issue all this will do is alienate people who have a different opinion since your saying that gdforums support net neutrality |
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Post by Lumpy on Nov 22, 2017 11:21:53 GMT -5
(aka comcast if you haven't heard they are lobbying AGAINST this repeal :oooo) no they arent. They are absolutely for the repeal because it will benefit them monetarily. They try to make their PR look like it says they are against it, why? Because net neutrality is spreading awareness, and people who dont understand it that much besides "net neutrality is good" wont understand that it makes no sense for a company like comcast (who will probably exploit this the worst) to be lobbying against it. |
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Post by Lumpy on Nov 22, 2017 11:30:59 GMT -5
'm surprised this is a pinned thread this is not a bi-partisan issue Yes it is. Nearly every democrat senator has voted to keep the regulations in place, nearly ever republican senator has voted against it, so far. Definition of bi-partisando you really think that companies like Comcast weren't already doing this during NN? they can just be open about it if they were doing things like this No they weren't. They could try, but they would get shut down by the law. What do you think the regulations are for?because all NN did was ensure that monopolies stayed in power! all these companies had to do now is pay politician and they would turn a blind eye this makes it to where smaller companies who cant pay off politicians can get these special benefits again solidifying monopolies place in the economy like do you really think that the government is going to every site checking for internet speeds? like really? again short term it may seem like the end of the world but long term this will wane the power of monopolies since they will no longer have a hold on the government... also less government the better in every case (besides military) . overall NN harmed broadband investment and innovation and with the FCC transparency requirement and the restoration of the FTC‘s role in overseeing information services there will be less corruption that goes on with ISP's btw im getting this information from a buddy over at atlas telecom they may not be based in the US but they know well whats going onThis makes everything you say eseentially invalid. Atlas telecom DIRECTLY stands to benefit from Net Neturality being gone, they arent based in the us but they are WORLDWIDE. Theyre feeding you garbage about monopolies that doesnt even make sense because they want you to think Net Neutrality is bad, yeah well its bad for THEM but its good for LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE. I dont know why you believe them when theyre so obviously biased.
If anything, net neutrality will make existing monopolies (which are already bad) even WORSE because it will allow the current massive, rich companies to just rake in even more money.some extra information: www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2017/05/18/the_ugly_truth_about_obamas_net_neutrality_110247.html i got a lot more if you want just ask |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:40:29 GMT -5
I love how this has already happened about 3 times over the recent years and not much has changed, so I'm really not concerned this time either.
edit: okay let me reword that because i know people will get triggered. Worried, but not concerned. I don't live in the US, so it doesn't directly affect me. However, this is complete and utter bullshit that just seems like a waste of everyone's time. Regardless whether or not you want net neutrality (I do, for the sake of this argument), the whole act of "removing it" just seems like a political stunt. What was the point of introducing Title II regulations for ISPs in the first place if they suddenly want to go back on their word? Fucking pointless if you ask me.
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Post by italic on Nov 22, 2017 11:45:41 GMT -5
if the first protest in july didn't work, why would it work now? the fcc WILL repeal net neutrality no matter what happens.
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Post by Ezel on Nov 22, 2017 11:56:25 GMT -5
The thing sounds like "if EA was an internet provider".
But seriously, who would even support something like this? You have to pay to the companies to get access to the Internet, so everything else should be free to access. I hope this won't pass and they won't even try to rip-off money from people, come on, this is 2017 and they're trying to push us back for about 15 years (at least here).
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Post by S3rios on Nov 22, 2017 12:00:03 GMT -5
im getting this information from a buddy over at atlas telecom they may not be based in the US but they know well whats going onThis makes everything you say eseentially invalid. Atlas telecom DIRECTLY stands to benefit from Net Neturality being gone, they arent based in the us but they are WORLDWIDE. Theyre feeding you garbage about monopolies that doesnt even make sense because they want you to think Net Neutrality is bad, yeah well its bad for THEM but its good for LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE. I dont know why you believe them when theyre so obviously biased.
If anything, net neutrality will make existing monopolies (which are already bad) even WORSE because it will allow the current massive, rich companies to just rake in even more money.some extra information: www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2017/05/18/the_ugly_truth_about_obamas_net_neutrality_110247.html i got a lot more if you want just ask Dude nice eye catching his source of information. I missed that in my response, and it basically topples his entire argument lol. |
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Post by megaman9 on Nov 22, 2017 12:07:41 GMT -5
Klutch No, I'm not unannouncing this thread because it's an extremely important thing to spread awareness about.
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Post by pie314271 on Nov 22, 2017 12:14:55 GMT -5
some people are just-
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Post by LilyBlake on Nov 22, 2017 13:24:15 GMT -5
love this premium speeds idea that you guys thought up is hilarious I swear there is still no proof that this could happen, this premium speeds thing is still conspiracy propaganda to sway your opinion so you saying that this stupid premium speeds thing is going to happen is like me saying that competition will arise from this, it could happen but we don't know so you have no right to say that competitors wont start to outshine current "monopolies" after NN is repealed. look what most likely going to happen at the start of this is if you are paying full price for your current package well tada you will continue getting every server you want at the same speed however you can downgrade your package for way cheaper but services like social media or video services will be slowed but games and email will be fast or whatever you need in your day to day internet use. to me, that sounds like a good idea and a cheaper alternative to those who don't use every inch of the internet but have to pay for it regardless Like a dude said under one of the articles you linked before: "Connection to the internet is a utility. As such, if I pay my internet provider for 150 MPS connection, I should get that speed no matter what I content I am viewing. [...] If Comcast is able to charge various companies money to send information to me, is Comcast going to lower the cost of my slowed down connection if they don't? I highly doubt it. In most places that have high speed internet, there is usually only one provider that can give you that option. There is no competition. A consumer can not leave one company to go to another is their provider chooses to slow down content they pay to receive. The ISP providers do not have the right to be gate keepers to what I decide to download. If I pay for high speed downloads, I should get it, no matter what the content is." This logic is like selling an entire house for its full price, but only giving the buyer the key to the front door while all the other rooms are locked off. Need to go to sleep? Well too bad, either give me more money for the key to the bedroom or sleep on the damn floor. Sure, certain television networks use the same logic, but you can't apply this logic to the internet as well. There's way too much content to be policed this way and enclosed in "packages" - plus, MANY, MANY people's jobs rely on the internet to exist, and could be completely destroyed if said people don't have the money to pay for a level of internet speed that is acceptable. Also, this goes against the principles of the internet and of your precious America, since the internet is supposed to be a place where everyone can have their voice be heard no matter what they say, and Americans are all about freedom of speech. Doesn't giving ISPs a chance to silence people they don't like go against this, or is it suddendly ok just because it involves milking more money out of people? For the rebuttal of every other point you made check V0rt3x's posts, which are very well put and also sourced, so I have nothing to add on that that hasn't already been stated |
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Post by œ on Nov 22, 2017 14:59:57 GMT -5
I really hate to be that guy but this belongs in the lounge and not general discussion.
I am on my phone so if T-Mobile allows this to pass that would suck eggs
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Post by Klutch on Nov 22, 2017 15:02:07 GMT -5
'm surprised this is a pinned thread this is not a bi-partisan issue Yes it is. Nearly every democrat senator has voted to keep the regulations in place, nearly ever republican senator has voted against it, so far. Definition of bi-partisan
man.. someone need to use google more often "of or involving the agreement or cooperation of two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies." you explained the definition of a partisan issue proving my point thnx do you really think that companies like Comcast weren't already doing this during NN? they can just be open about it if they were doing things like this No they weren't. They could try, but they would get shut down by the law. What do you think the regulations are for?
As if the government would shut down one of the 2 only companies that provide services doing that would force a monopoly because all NN did was ensure that monopolies stayed in power! all these companies had to do now is pay politician and they would turn a blind eye this makes it to where smaller companies who cant pay off politicians can get these special benefits again solidifying monopolies place in the economy like do you really think that the government is going to every site checking for internet speeds? like really? again short term it may seem like the end of the world but long term this will wane the power of monopolies since they will no longer have a hold on the government... also less government the better in every case (besides military) . overall NN harmed broadband investment and innovation and with the FCC transparency requirement and the restoration of the FTC‘s role in overseeing information services there will be less corruption that goes on with ISP's btw im getting this information from a buddy over at atlas telecom they may not be based in the US but they know well whats going onThis makes everything you say eseentially invalid. Atlas telecom DIRECTLY stands to benefit from Net Neturality being gone, they arent based in the us but they are WORLDWIDE. Theyre feeding you garbage about monopolies that doesnt even make sense because they want you to think Net Neutrality is bad, yeah well its bad for THEM but its good for LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE. I dont know why you believe them when theyre so obviously biased.
If anything, net neutrality will make existing monopolies (which are already bad) even WORSE because it will allow the current massive, rich companies to just rake in even more money.
"If anything, net neutrality will make existing monopolies (which are already bad) even WORSE because it will allow the current massive, rich companies to just rake in even more money." yup thats why we need to repeal it thnx again for proving my point...quite sad to see the forum staff picking sides here and pushing people who dont agree with them to the side, nothing much will come from this repeal besides a ton of liberals protesting in DC the repeal will happen regardless of your tears and you will forget about it once the next story comes along last post cause my opinion wont change obviously neither will yours |
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Post by WillFlame on Nov 22, 2017 15:09:15 GMT -5
I really hate to be that guy but this belongs in the lounge and not general discussion. Moved to Forum News (?), it's announced anyway so it doesn't really make a difference...
The forum wouldn't be the place it is today without net neutrality, so we're just trying to spread awareness about what's going on by announcing this thread. |
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Post by megaman9 on Nov 22, 2017 15:35:08 GMT -5
quite sad to see the forum staff picking sides here and pushing people who dont agree with them to the side, nothing much will come from this repeal besides a ton of liberals protesting in DC the repeal will happen regardless of your tears and you will forget about it once the next story comes along last post cause my opinion wont change obviously neither will yours We're not "pushing people to the side" just because we disagree with you. Your argument is extremely flawed and has already been debunked by several people. |
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. overall NN harmed broadband investment and innovation and with the FCC transparency requirement and the restoration of the FTC‘s role in overseeing information services there will be less corruption that goes on with ISP's btw im getting this information from a buddy over at atlas telecom they may not be based in the US but they know well whats going on 
