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Post by headhonchkrow on Mar 11, 2018 6:56:58 GMT -5
I know it seams unfair, but using the bypass is easier then normal 144Hz, Does that matter? Not everyone has the means to get a 144 Hz monitor and just banning the FPS hack on grounds of it being easier because it's cheaper is ridiculous. In fact, 144 Hz monitors are more unfair because the FPS hack is more easily accessed while you need to pay for a 144 Hz monitor. Take speedrunning. The speedrunning community doesn't accept records using third-party hacks/cheats but allow the usage of glitches in runs. This is mainly due to two reasons. The first is that cheats in a run might enable one to access faster routes that would be normally inaccessible; this is the reason why NoClip and similar cheats in GD are banned. But the FPS bypass isn't like that; it only makes it easier for already available "routes" (ex: straight-flying) to be taken, just like 144 Hz does. The second, much more relevant reason for banning cheats like that in speedrunning is that in runs, people want to see the fastest possible route through a game with only what the game has to offer (intentionally or not.) However, in GD, the conditions that the FPS bypass offer are also accessible with 144 Hz and similar monitors; that is, within the game's code. Sure, there may be regional differences between games that might render some glitches/exploits unusable. To circumvent this, people tend to play on the same version of the game, usually with an emulator. However, in GD, the differences are between monitors, which makes the "barrier to entry" much harder to actually circumvent: sometimes, due to financial difficulties, it is almost impossible to actually get a 144 Hz monitor, just like it may be very difficult to get a hold of the best version of a game to make runs on depending one's region of residence. And GD, too, has an emulator-like software available in order for people that are otherwise unable to get 144 Hz to have the same experience: the FPS bypass. Emulators are widely used within the speedrunning community, so why can't the GD community make the FPS bypass available? I would say that the fact that the FPS hack is "easier" (i.e. much more available) than 144 Hz monitors is actually a good thing and in my opinion, is the main reason that the FPS hack should NOT be excluded from list records. tl;dr: The gap between 60 and 144 Hz is like regional differences fixing bugs in games that would otherwise make a speedrun much faster, and the FPS bypass is like the ROMS and emulators that the speedrunning community uses to make viable runs much easier for people that would otherwise be hard pressed to find and buy the "right" copy of the game. More minor points: For one, Sunix knew that using the hack would get him banned, so he kept it a secret, which is just straight dishonest Is it ever specified on the pointercrate website that using the FPS hack will get the user banned? I know it says "illegitimate records" which might apply to it but I've heard people say that you just get the demon(s) that you used the hack on removed. idk about this though so just asking As for 144Hz monitors being "hacks", theirs a difference between an exploit in Robtops bad coding, and third party application changing code to achieve those same results How can you be okay with someone exploiting the game's code but not be okay with changing the code manually? The results are exactly the same; how does the means of getting there change anything? And besides, the FPS hack doesn't actually provide an actual advantage like, say, NoClip does. It only "levels the playing field" for people unable to afford 144 Hz monitors. |
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Post by durianhead on Mar 11, 2018 8:00:49 GMT -5
whaaaaaat is up dramaalert nation I'm your host d u r i an my thoughts on the issue:
nah im not feeling up to it sorry
also im not only a mobile player, im a terrible mobile player so everything i say about the fps bypass is gonna be incorrect lmao
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Post by GoodSmile on Mar 11, 2018 8:04:21 GMT -5
So Auro was right from the very beginning.
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Post by VegetarianBacon on Mar 11, 2018 8:13:36 GMT -5
I could argue either way, but I'll stick with one side. The FPS limit is actually more of a challenge for players on the demon list. It also makes it fair for everybody. If you know that you won't get on the demon list using an FPS bypass, why would you do it?
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Post by Xuser on Mar 11, 2018 8:44:31 GMT -5
Why would he need that hack? Doesn't he have a 144hz monitor himself?
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Post by gdphoenix888 on Mar 11, 2018 9:13:46 GMT -5
Great. Some more drama. I should just get popcorn and my phone since I play on mobile and I don't give two craps about who did what.
Edit: To give my honest opinion.
144hz bypass is for people who want to play GD on 144hz, but don't want to waste too much money for a monitor on a single game, especially if that is the only game they play.
144hz monitors/laptops is for people that play many games that require concentration, like CSGO, mostly FPS games since they use quite a lot of graphics. 144hz monitors to me are more suitable if you are playing a variety of games other than GD so that you can use it for those games.
So should it be banned? No. It might be a hack but it Is just for players who don't want to spend too much money on a 144hz monitor just for one game since they think it is not worth it.
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Post by Beany on Mar 11, 2018 10:22:54 GMT -5
I think Sunix should be back on the list. He did nothing wrong. He didn't get banned for using it, he got banned for lying about it. |
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Post by Dragon on Mar 11, 2018 10:31:58 GMT -5
I do not understand why FPS bypass is bad at all Person 1: *has 144hz* Person 2: *hacks to have 144hz on a 60hz monitor* Person 1 and 2 then both beat Bloodlust. Person 1 gets list points because he has 144hz, but person 2 doesn't because they hacked 144hz for themselves. One gets points and the other doesn't even though they're both on 144 frames per second! How is that fair or OK? Some would argue that it's using a third party program to make the game easier. Yes it is, but it's hacking into something that's still considered legitimate, which is 144hz. It's like you're trying to make people pay big money for a powerful monitor with such a refresh rate, even though the money isn't even going to you. Now how rude is that? I think Sunix should be back on the list. He did nothing wrong. He lied about using it though. Also according to daily news he removed some level obstacles too, so... He deserves to be banned. He hacked, he lied about it. There's nothing else to it. |
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Post by DoubleX on Mar 11, 2018 10:38:37 GMT -5
I think Sunix should be back on the list. He did nothing wrong. He didn't get banned for using it, he got banned for lying about it. even if he never hid it, wouldn’t he have been banned from the beginning? |
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Post by Dragon on Mar 11, 2018 11:01:09 GMT -5
He didn't get banned for using it, he got banned for lying about it. even if he never hid it, wouldn’t he have been banned from the beginning? If you hack it openly, you won't get banned as long as you don't submit it as a legitimate record. |
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Post by Beany on Mar 11, 2018 11:13:26 GMT -5
He didn't get banned for using it, he got banned for lying about it. even if he never hid it, wouldn’t he have been banned from the beginning? no, the bypass records won't get added but you wouldnt be banned |
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Post by jordan853 on Mar 11, 2018 11:13:48 GMT -5
I do not understand why FPS bypass is bad at all Person 1: *has 144hz* Person 2: *hacks to have 144hz on a 60hz monitor* Person 1 and 2 then both beat Bloodlust. Person 1 gets list points because he has 144hz, but person 2 doesn't because they hacked 144hz for themselves. One gets points and the other doesn't even though they're both on 144 frames per second! How is that fair or OK? Some would argue that it's using a third party program to make the game easier. Yes it is, but it's hacking into something that's still considered legitimate, which is 144hz. It's like you're trying to make people pay big money for a powerful monitor with such a refresh rate, even though the money isn't even going to you. Now how rude is that? I think Sunix should be back on the list. He did nothing wrong. He lied about using it though. Also according to daily news he removed some level obstacles too, so... He deserves to be banned. He hacked, he lied about it. There's nothing else to it. So he used the fps bypass and the editor hack and hid them? I'm starting to think the motive of using the hack is to attempt to prove that Bloodlust is easier than PPF |
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Post by Gingie on Mar 11, 2018 13:15:09 GMT -5
rules are rules and its very well know what the consequences are, FPS bypass is a hack, and always will be As for this FPS bypass bullshit, I'd say, use it if you want to beat a level that's out of your reach, not because it makes the level easier for you and you want it done quickly. It's still illegitimate either way, and I back the list mods entirely for not allowing records to be added. If you want a record added, beat the level with no sort of hack whatsoever, if you want it for self satisfaction and accomplishment, then use the bypass, I don't care. This "it's a hack so it should be banned" argument only holds water if hacking by itself is considered unethical within the community only because it's hacking; and indeed, some people would claim that. Others would say that hacking is only a problem because it provides unfair advantages. But does the FPS bypass really do so? It only makes it so that GD can run over 60 fps, which makes straight-flying much easier, although slope bugs and other glitches can occur. From what I've seen, this description fits very well with monitors with higher refresh rates (such as 144 Hz); if their records are accepted, then why shouldn't the FPS bypass be accepted? I have personal negative feelings about sunix, so he can fuck off. If Sunix fanboys flaming the list editors because he's been banned is bad then what you're doing is just as bad, if not worse. yeah but the way some people use it is solely to get an unfair advantage. Rules of the list are rules, there's no getting around that. I'm not flaming anyone, or harassing them, I just don't really give a shit if sunix gets banned from the list, I don't see how I'm doing just as bad if not worse, but you do you I suppose. |
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Post by zanecz on Mar 11, 2018 13:18:10 GMT -5
Maybe sunix noticed how gd hadn't had drama in a while and he decided to sacrifice himself for us
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Post by Arcane on Mar 11, 2018 15:03:33 GMT -5
gd hadn't had drama in a while The what hadn’t had what now? |
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