What you need to know about Hz

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE STUPID?

No.
Refresh rate shows how many frames a monitor is designed to display per second. If you're on a 60hz monitor then you will not see past 60fps. Same thing applies to other commercial refresh rates, be it 75, 120, 144, 240hz and whatnot. If you pull out 300 frames per second in a game and you have a 60hz monitor then you will only see 60, not 300.

Now to the response time.
"The response time of a display is how quickly it can change its pixels from black-to-white or gray-to-gray."
I don't see your point here. Lower numbers (measured in milliseconds) here mean less "ghosting". That's it. This isn't the decisive factor here, is it?
Don't confuse response time with input lag - that [input lag] is determined by peripheral devices such as a mouse or keyboard.

The thing you precisely said does not help is the thing that matters here. The refresh rate. Imagine a difference (or watch a video from Youtube for all I care, there are plenty of comparison videos available) between 30fps and 60fps. That's a 2x difference, watching a 30fps video you will see two times less frames per second that on a 60fps video. Now imagine a difference between 60fps and 144hz. That's a 2.4x difference (nearly TWO AND A HALF TIMES, even larger than on the previous comparison). Watching a video at 144fps you'll see nearly 2.5x the frames than on its 60fps counterpart. Do you think the difference is minor? It's not. Absolutely not. Quite the opposite actually.

And now on to your third point, phone players. Nobody ever said you can not achieve incredible feats on a phone. But how many phone players can you think of that have beaten any demon off the first 10 in the extreme demons list? The next 40, too, have only a very scarce bookmark of phone players' records on their names.
Michigun is at #1 in the leaderboards. But can you say that Michigun is "better" or more skilled than Riot, Surv, Quasar, RpgRaketti..?
You said that most phones have a 30hz 45ms+ display. Yes they do. But look at what I wrote above. Also your phones' peripheral input is the screen itself - no external devices so less input lag.

And to people saying that 144hz is an "insignificant advantage" - you're wrong and that's easy to prove.

If I made any invalid points please just inform me, don't pour a bucket of salt on me.

Are we twins? I SWEAR I thought I was the only one on this forum who actually knew exactly what refresh rates and response times are! (Before I posted the definition in at least 5 posts :/).

You sir, are one of the very few people who know way more than just a definition. We need more people like you here... But you forgot one crucial thing. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Y3ti Tech Tips.



Something else you need to know when picking your monitor that might not effect reflexes and timings, but will definitely effect you being able to pull something off. I'm talking a magical specification called... Input Delay!


So we learnt that Refresh Rate, measured in hertz or Hz (which is actually a measurement unit for electrical frequency, by the way) determines the amount of times a monitor refreshes to display a new frame from your graphics card if available (Ex: 60 Hz = Up to visually seeing 60 FPS, no matter how many FPS you get over 60)...

...and Response Time, measured in milliseconds, or ms (a time measurement unit, also known as 1/1000 of a second), determines how quickly each single pixel on the monitor (amount of pixels determined by resolution) can react to having to display a new colour, and how quickly it can show those changes in colour and shading. What about Input Delay, Y3ti? I didn't come here to TL;DR 2 huge paragraphs of you recapping what the OP said. Get on with it! Ok fine.

Input Delay, also measured in milliseconds/ms, determines how long it takes for a monitor to display a change manipulated by the signal of a peripheral, such as a mouse or keyboard. In easier terms, if your monitor has an input delay of 3ms, whenever you click, it will take 3ms for that click to show on the monitor.

You also wanna avoid screen tearing, in which 2 things help: higher refresh rates, or an adaptive sync, if any. My advice is that if you have an AMD GPU that supports FreeSync, get a monitor that supports it too, whereas if you have an NVIDIA GPU that supports G-Sync, you need a G-Sync monitor. Otherwise, V-Sync will do well enough.

FreeSync and G-Sync do the same thing. They don't take away FPS. They just show specific frames from all those FPS to sync with response time, input delay, and simply predictions and/or polling rates (Where peripherals, specifically mice rather than keyboards, refresh and inform the monitor and PC about its position, for more precision, measured in hertz/Hz).

V-Sync removes all FPS above the refresh rate, so if you have a 60 Hz monitor and 200 FPS, V-Sync completely wipes out the extra 140 FPS completely, so there's only 60 FPS. This is where it wouldn't be worth getting an expensive graphics card that will help you get 200 FPS, because anything above 60 won't exist with V-Sync.

Of course, screen size, and even bezel can affect how you yourself play. If you were playing on a 3" inch screen with a 5" bezel, it would be really hard to focus due to the tiny display, and those useless black bars caused by unidentical aspect ratios, or simply edges. But that's not what I'm talking about today.

Also, there is merely no difference in using a refresh rate higher than 60Hz on Geometry Dash, except for getting unnecessarily more FPS on a 2D game based on jumping and stuff, and a rather wrecked trail above 60 Hz. If you plan to get a monitor with a higher refresh rate than 60 solely for Geometry Dash, you're doing a huge mistake. If you plan to play games like COD, CSGO, LOL, or DOTA 2, and happen to play Geometry Dash, go ahead, as long as GD doesn't influence your decision.

Well that's all for today, folks! I hope you guys learnt something new, and this was helpful for you. If it was, leave a like on this post so I know this made you understand a thing or two. Other than that, hope you guys have a wonderful day!

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I just love this guy...

Seriously now, I don't think anyone with that much experience on computer technology and stuff will manage to understand that. You also forgot to mention another point, it being the human eye and the brain. Which I am going to talk about.

Anyone subscribed to VSauce should know that the human eye catches very high FPS, it being up to 240FPS at some rare circumstances, though the brain is the translator to give the image FAILING on translating the signal into light and sight. 240FPS is WAY TOO MUCH for the brain to process causing heavy brain ache when watching anything at 240FPS and that is because there is TOO MUCH information to process especially when very rapid motions occur.

Now of course I don't say that the brain is incapable of high frame rates. In fact there are some tests that have been done in pilots to test their ability on spotting a dot in 1/144th of a second. That's what we call 144Hz for monitor refresh rate or 144FPS video frame rate. Now, sure they do spot it, but when there are 2 continuous frames in the 144FPS rate with different colors each time, the brain combines the colors. For example, if you are watching a 144FPS video with just a black screen and it turns into magenta and green within just 2 frames, your brain will understand that this is white. Yeah, that means not that big of a difference.

In 60FPS, perhaps the brain won't translate the example above as white because the amount of time between the two frames is enough for the brain to process the image. It works like V-sync that Y3ti said before.

So what does this have to do with GD? Well that is an example of the distinguishing between colors in high frame rate. As for motion, the brain does not catch it that much easily. You see, the brain may not understand the tiny motion in such a high frame rate because of the smoothness and it is easily blurred out if it is seen as a simple image. That means if you were to take a picture with your brain of a 144Hz monitor while playing GD, you would see some blur in the picture. A good example is to shake your hand in front of you very quickly and to understand the difference try capturing that with a slow-mo camera at 120FPS or even 240FPS!

Surv and whoever wants may have 144Hz monitors, but how many FPS do their brains get? And how many are analyzed completely? No one else knows except for themselves. And how much does it take them to react to the events and signals?

This is another factor that plays a cardinal role in these games. The reaction time. Mine is 16-17ms I hope (I HAVE TESTED IT OUT) when playing levels that I know by heard. This is what we are talking about here because I don't think anyone has beaten any 2.0 Demon first try (prima vista - first sight).

Surv and all those infamous 144Hz monitor players don't do any better than us 60Hz monitor players unless they are more skilled. 144Hz does NOT offer that much a difference. At 75Hz is what it is the ideal monitor for a Skill Demon, anything bigger than that refresh rate is USELESS to us humans, unless we are bionic.

So, I don't wanna see stupid people posting stuff about this without being aware of any kind of real-world physics, science and computer technology. They are just some goats as we say here in Greece, meaning that they just follow what ONE says and they are influenced TOO MUCH so that they become the same the person that influences them, or maybe even worse.

That's all I had to say, I'm NOT going to post ANYTHING else about this STUPID controversy that occurred because of an IMMATURE player with TOO MANY followers. ENOUGH with those BIG letters that EMPHASIZE on the BIG words, I'm just done.

Hope you really become smarter now, not because of me, but because of some knowledge and some maturity. I'm bored of seeing retards all over the place causing cancer, chaos and controversies, the 3 Cs that are not good on any game. Remember that

AlFas out.

From what i know, Better monitors doesn't = instant skill.
Instead they give you more potential for skill.

So that's why some levels like retention don't work with 144hz. Totally explains everything :D

My point is that even though your perception doesn't have much of a difference, the in-game mechanics change at different refresh rates. You guys are overthinking this.

im pretty sure this all started from some 60hz guy being jealous at a 144hz guy