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Post by Retired moderator. on Oct 28, 2016 8:59:38 GMT -5
I'll be concise here. Level difficulty doesn't matter. It's good to challenge yourself and share your opinions, but since there is no way to objectively say that x level is harder than y, or that x level is a medium demon, it's all subjective. It's easier to compare levels that are similar in layout, such as fairy dust and nine circles, but majority of the time when comparing levels, it cannot happen.
There are way too many factors that goes into an opinion on difficulty. The 1st factor is what the player defines as difficulty. Some say it's the # of attempts while others say it's how frustrating the level is. Both are right because there's no objective way to define difficulty. The 2nd factor is what the individual player's skill is. The 3rd is how good that player is at ship, wave, etc. If someone is really good at wave but bad at ship, they might think down bass is easier than cataclysm, or that down bass is an insane demon instead of extreme and they aren't wrong.
Also, for demon ratings, there's another factor which is how they personally define an easy, medium, and hard demon. Everyone has a different definition for these things, so you shouldn't care if others say these things.
Level difficulty is such a subjective topic, and nothing is set in stone. Please don't argue about something so specific to each player.
Tldr: level difficulty is subjective
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 9:18:16 GMT -5
I'll be concise here. Level difficulty doesn't matter. It's good to challenge yourself and share your opinions, but since there is no way to objectively say that x level is harder than y, or that x level is a medium demon, it's all subjective. It's easier to compare levels that are similar in layout, such as fairy dust and nine circles, but majority of the time when comparing levels, it cannot happen. There are way too many factors that goes into an opinion on difficulty. The 1st factor is what the player defines as difficulty. Some say it's the # of attempts while others say it's how frustrating the level is. Both are right because there's no objective way to define difficulty. The 2nd factor is what the individual player's skill is. The 3rd is how good that player is at ship, wave, etc. If someone is really good at wave but bad at ship, they might think down bass is easier than cataclysm, or that down bass is an insane demon instead of extreme and they aren't wrong. Also, for demon ratings, there's another factor which is how they personally define an easy, medium, and hard demon. Everyone has a different definition for these things, so you shouldn't care if others say these things. Level difficulty is such a subjective topic, and nothing is set in stone. Please don't argue about something so specific to each player. Tldr: level difficulty is subjective I agree with this completely, and this is why I feel when someone states their opinion on a level's difficulty their opinion should NOT be taken as a fact, or assumed that the person stating their opinion is stating it as a fact. The person stating their opinion theirself should realize that it is not a fact, and that they can't/shouldn't impose what they assume to be their fact on others. |
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Post by LuMaIchArgI on Oct 28, 2016 9:27:07 GMT -5
Yes but there's nothing wrong with rating levels for yourself
But I do agree, people asking questions like what is harder Down Bass or Photovoltaic and other annoying questions like that.
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Post by wattybangbang on Oct 28, 2016 11:58:48 GMT -5
Why is Demonic Base at 43, it's harder than Bloodbath, and even if it isn't then its way harder than that
Bloodbath: 2(4x 2x)
Demonic Base: 4(4x 3x 2x)
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Post by Ezel on Oct 28, 2016 13:03:43 GMT -5
I kinda agree with this post. Even if I disagree with some difficulties (like in the Extreme Demons list), it's a subjective thing and other people might have different opinions. It also depends on people's skill at different forms and gameplay types. In example: I'm pretty bad at wave and Nine Circles levels are difficult for me (okay, maybe except really easy ones like Problematic or Space Circles), so even a level like Fear Me or Figures is a small challenge for me. Other people might think they're easy though.
But yeah, we should stop being triggered when people call something like Clubstep a "Hard Demon". They might be beginners or just not experienced enough at specific forms.
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Post by Boberino323 on Oct 28, 2016 14:13:15 GMT -5
lol, but what about the records list thats inportant.
and i still think blood-bath isnt even a hard demon lol, see how some opinions can really be inportant because the list is inportant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 14:15:54 GMT -5
lol, but what about the records list thats inportant. and i still think blood-bath isnt even a hard demon lol, see how some opinions can really be inportant because the list is inportant.  |
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Post by Retired moderator. on Oct 28, 2016 14:20:37 GMT -5
lol, but what about the records list thats inportant. and i still think blood-bath isnt even a hard demon lol, see how some opinions can really be inportant because the list is inportant. Please rephrase whatever you just said. It makes no sense |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 14:41:27 GMT -5
lol, but what about the records list thats inportant. and i still think blood-bath isnt even a hard demon lol, see how some opinions can really be inportant because the list is inportant. Please rephrase whatever you just said. It makes no sense He's saying that bloodbath isn't as hard as the list says it is, saying that the list is taken as a fact too much because its a popular list and that such a thing should not be taken as a fact from what I can tell, his sentence is hypocritical and poorly constructed tho lmao. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 15:15:06 GMT -5
This is true, but some difficulties in most people's opinions are very questionable
Why is Ditched Machine an easy demon? It should be medium-hard
Why is The JanuS miracle on the list?
Why is Windy landscape a medium demon, it should be hard-very hard
Plus, basing difficulties off of attempts isn't that smart in my opinion, it took me more attempts to beat yStep than it took me to beat Fractured circles
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Post by Lumpy on Oct 28, 2016 17:47:33 GMT -5
I agree with you for the most part, but it definitely doesn't stop the fact that most levels can be defined as having a certain general difficulty or comparison of difficulty, falling within a sort of range. Of course, difficulty is subjective and different people will have different opinions but these opinions rarely differ so much that you can't just give it a blanket difficulty. That's why we can have a Top 50 demons list– it many not be entirely accurate to most people but its still a good general guide.
also you finally made the thread x)
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Post by TheDotGamer on Oct 28, 2016 18:30:36 GMT -5
Almost everything is subjective. The point of the list is to be a list that as many people as possible will agree with
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Post by megaman9 on Oct 29, 2016 11:45:01 GMT -5
This is true, but some difficulties in most people's opinions are very questionable Why is Ditched Machine an easy demon? It should be medium-hard Why is The JanuS miracle on the list? Why is Windy landscape a medium demon, it should be hard-very hard I agree, but those were pretty bad examples :L |
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Post by Boberino323 on Oct 29, 2016 21:52:16 GMT -5
lol, but what about the records list thats inportant. and i still think blood-bath isnt even a hard demon lol, see how some opinions can really be inportant because the list is inportant. Please rephrase whatever you just said. It makes no sense level difficulty is inportant because of the record list. maybe if i think blood-bath is easier than back on track then it shouldn t be on the list. i dont think that but if half the community dd then there would be a problem with the list so its inportant |
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Post by LuMaIchArgI on Oct 29, 2016 21:57:06 GMT -5
Please rephrase whatever you just said. It makes no sense level difficulty is inportant because of the record list. maybe if i think blood-bath is easier than back on track then it shouldn t be on the list. i dont think that but if half the community dd then there would be  a problem with the list so its inportant No it wouldn't cuz, the list isn't mostly based on the majority opinion as that could cause problems |
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