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Post by Bagley on Mar 16, 2021 12:10:03 GMT -5
well, I'm curious to hear how krmal is a good example of misusing teleporters, given that in all of his solo demons (rearmed, lit fuse, conical depression, heartbeat, falling up, hi, black blizzard, xo), there is a grand total of two teleporters in any of those levels (at 1% in conical depression and at 68% in black blizzard, neither of which contributes to the difficulty in any meaningful way). it's also interesting that you say that he misuses move triggers, since none of his levels have any moving gameplay except for the last wave in rearmed, which I will concede is quite bad (I'm not counting the heartbeat wave, it's literally just spam). and I'm not sure what exactly constitutes alpha trigger misuse, but you're welcome to explain what that is and provide an example. What about invisible deadlcked and dont rate this level. Lol Dont rate this kevel: move, alpha and teleporter misuse. Invisible DL: alpha misuse Hungry Humphrey: move trigger misuse. Alive: alpha misuse.
as many have pointed out, those first three levels are joke levels and were not intended to be of high quality. joke levels get rated all the time, you wouldn't say that zobros's part in love baba makes him a bad creator right? also I'm curious to hear about how alive, his one serious level in that list, is an example of alpha trigger misuse when THERE ARE LITERALLY NO ALPHA TRIGGERS IN THE ENTIRE LEVEL (except for one at the beginning that controls group 13, but no objects are in group 13, idk why it's there and krmal didn't build that part anyway) anyway, you still have not addressed how any of his levels that were intended to be serious (rearmed, lit fuse, conical depression, heartbeat, falling up, hi, black blizzard, xo) are an example of bad alpha/move/teleporter usage. I agree that the rearmed last wave does abuse the move trigger (of course, 2.0 was just released months earlier and pretty much every level abused the move trigger), but can you name even one more example?
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Post by mds62 on Mar 16, 2021 19:36:13 GMT -5
What about invisible deadlcked and dont rate this level. Lol Dont rate this kevel: move, alpha and teleporter misuse. Invisible DL: alpha misuse Hungry Humphrey: move trigger misuse. Alive: alpha misuse.
as many have pointed out, those first three levels are joke levels and were not intended to be of high quality. joke levels get rated all the time, you wouldn't say that zobros's part in love baba makes him a bad creator right? also I'm curious to hear about how alive, his one serious level in that list, is an example of alpha trigger misuse when THERE ARE LITERALLY NO ALPHA TRIGGERS IN THE ENTIRE LEVEL (except for one at the beginning that controls group 13, but no objects are in group 13, idk why it's there and krmal didn't build that part anyway). 1.This thread isnt related to Krmals levels. So i dont want to go into details of the shittiness of his levels. We had a long conversation about his levels in the thread "top 10 worst creators" So look at that thread if u want answer for that. 2. "They were joke levels and joke levels get rated all the time" is simply wrong. Those are shitty joke levels fyi. Not good joke levels like pp or sth. And joke levels get rated only if they are created by famous creators like KrmaL. 3. Alive alpha trigger in the last straightfly corridor to cause a 97% death. Its is so dumb to put such a section at the end of the level.
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Post by RedWhaley14 on Mar 16, 2021 20:07:29 GMT -5
as many have pointed out, those first three levels are joke levels and were not intended to be of high quality. joke levels get rated all the time, you wouldn't say that zobros's part in love baba makes him a bad creator right? also I'm curious to hear about how alive, his one serious level in that list, is an example of alpha trigger misuse when THERE ARE LITERALLY NO ALPHA TRIGGERS IN THE ENTIRE LEVEL (except for one at the beginning that controls group 13, but no objects are in group 13, idk why it's there and krmal didn't build that part anyway). 1.This thread isnt related to Krmals levels. So i dont want to go into details of the shittiness of his levels. We had a long conversation about his levels in the thread "top 10 worst creators" So look at that thread if u want answer for that. THEN WHY DID YOU MENTION KRAML FOR THE 100000TH IN THE FIRST PLACE? You bring Kraml up every single thread, is it really your place to tell people to stop talking about Kraml when you’re the one who mentioned him for no real reason in the first place?2. "They were joke levels and joke levels get rated all the time" is simply wrong. Those are shitty joke levels fyi. Not good joke levels like pp or sth. And joke levels get rated only if they are created by famous creators like KrmaL. Buckle Your Pants, Balls Mountain, Preheat Oven to 425F, Spooky Joking, etc. Not all joke levels that get rates are by famous creators, and I think really calling them “shitty joke levels” just proves that they succeeded at what they were intended to do. Calling a joke level bad is pointless because some joke levels were made as a joke. Sure, some higher quality ones, like PP, do exist, but Kraml’s joke levels were INTENDED to be bad in a comical way and I think they succeed at that in the so-bad-they’re-good kind of way that makes them charming. It’s fine if you don’t like them but remember that’s literally the point.
3. Alive alpha trigger in the last straightfly corridor to cause a 97% death. Its is so dumb to put such a section at the end of the level. I don’t think this is as serious as you make it out to be. It’s more so a move Trigger or black OBJ issue and NOT an alpha trigger issue. An example of Alpha Trigger abuse would be a level where every block fades in at the last second or fades out when you’re about to land on it, not what Alive does, which just makes straightfly a bit more annoying.Replies in bold yay You really need to stop bringing up Kraml for no real reason if you don’t want to derail the thread. I think you should mature a bit and realize that it’s you causing all of these arguments and that maybe you should take a step back and stop bringing him up. It’s really annoying (even if I’m not a huge Kraml fan myself) and I don’t think you should turn people against you by annoying them like this
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Post by mds62 on Mar 16, 2021 20:16:48 GMT -5
1.This thread isnt related to Krmals levels. So i dont want to go into details of the shittiness of his levels. We had a long conversation about his levels in the thread "top 10 worst creators" So look at that thread if u want answer for that. THEN WHY DID YOU MENTION KRAML FOR THE 100000TH IN THE FIRST PLACE? You bring Kraml up every single thread, is it really your place to tell people to stop talking about Kraml when you’re the one who mentioned him for no real reason in the first place?2. "They were joke levels and joke levels get rated all the time" is simply wrong. Those are shitty joke levels fyi. Not good joke levels like pp or sth. And joke levels get rated only if they are created by famous creators like KrmaL. Buckle Your Pants, Balls Mountain, Preheat Oven to 425F, Spooky Joking, etc. Not all joke levels that get rates are by famous creators, and I think really calling them “shitty joke levels” just proves that they succeeded at what they were intended to do. Calling a joke level bad is pointless because some joke levels were made as a joke. Sure, some higher quality ones, like PP, do exist, but Kraml’s joke levels were INTENDED to be bad in a comical way and I think they succeed at that in the so-bad-they’re-good kind of way that makes them charming. It’s fine if you don’t like them but remember that’s literally the point.
3. Alive alpha trigger in the last straightfly corridor to cause a 97% death. Its is so dumb to put such a section at the end of the level. I don’t think this is as serious as you make it out to be. It’s more so a move Trigger or black OBJ issue and NOT an alpha trigger issue. An example of Alpha Trigger abuse would be a level where every block fades in at the last second or fades out when you’re about to land on it, not what Alive does, which just makes straightfly a bit more annoying.Replies in bold yay You really need to stop bringing up Kraml for no real reason if you don’t want to derail the thread. I think you should mature a bit and realize that it’s you causing all of these arguments and that maybe you should take a step back and stop bringing him up. It’s really annoying (even if I’m not a huge Kraml fan myself) and I don’t think you should turn people against you by annoying them like this Read !y thread about worst creators. You will find the amswers for eeverytbing there
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Post by RedWhaley14 on Mar 16, 2021 20:33:51 GMT -5
Replies in bold yay You really need to stop bringing up Kraml for no real reason if you don’t want to derail the thread. I think you should mature a bit and realize that it’s you causing all of these arguments and that maybe you should take a step back and stop bringing him up. It’s really annoying (even if I’m not a huge Kraml fan myself) and I don’t think you should turn people against you by annoying them like this Read !y thread about worst creators. You will find the amswers for eeverytbing there
It’s not your opinions I have a problem with. It’s the fact that you continuously bring him up and trash him despite it being really irritating that’s the issue. It’s borderline spam at this point and it comes off as relentless flaming and really obnoxious. Like, I’m not going to constantly trash the creators of my least favorite levels in the game every chance I get, because it’s just get extremely exasperating and maddening after a while. I’m not going to make the same exact comments about my fave levels either, because that’d also get tiring. We get that you dislike Kraml, that’s fine. Just stop bringing it up every chance you get, alright? So many people have asked you to stop due to it getting grating and the point seems to just fly over your head. There are other topics here and seeing Kraml mentioned by you in every single one is just SOOOO irksome and monotonous.
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Post by mds62 on Mar 16, 2021 20:38:47 GMT -5
Read !y thread about worst creators. You will find the amswers for eeverytbing there
It’s not your opinions I have a problem with. It’s the fact that you continuously bring him up and trash him despite it being really irritating that’s the issue. It’s borderline spam at this point and it comes off as relentless flaming and really obnoxious. Like, I’m not going to constantly trash the creators of my least favorite levels in the game every chance I get, because it’s just get extremely exasperating and maddening after a while. I’m not going to make the same exact comments about my fave levels either, because that’d also get tiring. We get that you dislike Kraml, that’s fine. Just stop bringing it up every chance you get, alright? So many people have asked you to stop due to it getting grating and the point seems to just fly over your head. There are other topics here and seeing Kraml mentioned by you in every single one is just SOOOO irksome and monotonous. Whenever i post something about KrmaL in the most subtle way u ppl react like i postd p*rn and make me post 20 more times defending my original post. Thats why it looks like i am spamming. It is like you, bagley, somethingishere, awesomegamer, etc. Combined VS me alone. That is why i have to post so many times. For once. Try to just ignore my subtle KrmaL reference and see how much the KrmaL - related discussions reduces. Dont reply to this post if unless u want to waste time on shit talks
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Post by Luxi on Mar 16, 2021 20:59:45 GMT -5
It’s not your opinions I have a problem with. It’s the fact that you continuously bring him up and trash him despite it being really irritating that’s the issue. It’s borderline spam at this point and it comes off as relentless flaming and really obnoxious. Like, I’m not going to constantly trash the creators of my least favorite levels in the game every chance I get, because it’s just get extremely exasperating and maddening after a while. I’m not going to make the same exact comments about my fave levels either, because that’d also get tiring. We get that you dislike Kraml, that’s fine. Just stop bringing it up every chance you get, alright? So many people have asked you to stop due to it getting grating and the point seems to just fly over your head. There are other topics here and seeing Kraml mentioned by you in every single one is just SOOOO irksome and monotonous. Whenever i post something about KrmaL in the most subtle way u ppl react like i postd p*rn and make me post 20 more times defending my original post. Thats why it looks like i am spamming. It is like you, bagley, somethingishere, awesomegamer, etc. Combined VS me alone. That is why i have to post so many times. For once. Try to just ignore my subtle KrmaL reference and see how much the KrmaL - related discussions reduces. Dont reply to this post if unless u want to waste time on shit talks subtle
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 21:58:22 GMT -5
Yeah random triggers should 100% be added, they have a ton of extremely good uses such as color randomization, minigames, and more. Leave it out of gameplay obviously tho. Also saying it shouldnt be added since it could lead to garbage levels is kind of pointless, people will make bad levels regardless, at least now they will be more unique I guess
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Post by Jackattack on Mar 16, 2021 23:24:54 GMT -5
Mds i have two things:
1. The only "movee trigger abusse" i see in hungry humphrey is the boss fight and you can say anny bossfight is movee trigger abuse. Even low death, The Eschaton, Castlemania, all those level. 2. Maby krmal made these levels to tick you off. That would be funny
also there is a level called alpha trigger abuse.
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Post by mds62 on Mar 17, 2021 1:06:14 GMT -5
Mds i have two things: 1. The only "movee trigger abusse" i see in hungry humphrey is the boss fight and you can say anny bossfight is movee trigger abuse. Even low death, The Eschaton, Castlemania, all those level. 2. Maby krmal made these levels to tick you off. That would be funny also there is a level called alpha trigger abuse. Irrelevant. This thread is about random trigger
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Post by Despey on Mar 17, 2021 19:20:40 GMT -5
honestly, i think not. imagine the shit endings to demons oH YoU hAvE a 1/10 cHaNcE oF MaKinG iT OoO RnG.
edit: just read scocats comment, good point scocat, that changes my mind a bit.
Yes, it should, but not used for gameplay on rated levels.
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Post by Jackattack on Mar 17, 2021 21:42:48 GMT -5
honestly, i think not. imagine the shit endings to demons oH YoU hAvE a 1/10 cHaNcE oF MaKinG iT OoO RnG. edit: just read scocats comment, good point scocat, that changes my mind a bit. Yes, it should, but not used for gameplay on rated levels. I mean it realy depends. Say the creator made a level and ons part is randomised. The levels is sposed to v be a 3 star but the rsndomiaed part has a posiblity of being a 8 star. Thats not ok. But if the game play is ballencd and randomised then its ok. Like in the world machine by colon.
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Post by Despey on Mar 18, 2021 5:29:55 GMT -5
yeah, just what if its just rng to get past the part. that would be awful.
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Post by RedWhaley14 on Mar 18, 2021 5:39:54 GMT -5
honestly, i think not. imagine the shit endings to demons oH YoU hAvE a 1/10 cHaNcE oF MaKinG iT OoO RnG. edit: just read scocats comment, good point scocat, that changes my mind a bit. Yes, it should, but not used for gameplay on rated levels. I mean it realy depends. Say the creator made a level and ons part is randomised. The levels is sposed to v be a 3 star but the rsndomiaed part has a posiblity of being a 8 star. Thats not ok. But if the game play is ballencd and randomised then its ok. Like in the world machine by colon. I don’t think this is as likely as you think it is. The first batch of rates will likely include levels like this but after a while, I doubt RobTop will intentionally rate levels like this. Moderators can open the level in the editor and double check to make sure that nothing fishy involving the Random trigger is occurring and you can use GDbrowser to check for the existence of a Random Trigger in the level as well, along with playtesting and looking for changes and stuff like that. I doubt RobTop would be intentionally rating levels that misuse the trigger this much, so I don’t think it will be as bad as people say it’ll be. Besides, everyone will outgrow that eventual “lol I’m evil” phase anyways lol
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Post by Despey on Mar 18, 2021 7:04:23 GMT -5
good point.
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