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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:30:30 GMT -5
If yes, which ones and why? If no, why not? EDIT: I thought maybe I should add my thoughts. I created a spreadsheet (link here) to show my thoughts (I have divided each difficulty into "tiers" to more efficiently show the range of each difficulty). I think there should be three more demon difficulties: one should be added below easy demon so that we can separate demons like TLR and Xstep v2 from demons like DeCode and Problematic, another should be added between hard demon and insane demon for levels like Stalemate, Supersonic, and Hi that could fall under either category under the current system, and the third should be added above extreme demon so that we can separate demons like Bloodbath and Artificial Ascent from demons like Deimos and Thinking Space. For the names for these difficulties, I would suggest Trivial Demon, Harder Demon, and Supreme Demon.
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Post by Swifter on Jun 29, 2020 14:43:09 GMT -5
I think Very Hard Demon/Harder Demon would be nice (in between Hard and Insane). This would be good for levels like Stalemate, SuperSonic, 8o, Lit Fuse, etc. Maybe a harder diff for higher end extremes but idk.
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Post by Luxi on Jun 29, 2020 18:16:47 GMT -5
I would not mind something above Extreme just because of how wide the range is between the top 10 and some legacy Demons. I don't really care that much if we never get it though because pointercrate already serves its purpose quite well.
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Post by Dragon on Jun 29, 2020 18:50:05 GMT -5
I think a more beneficial thing to add would be a more proper default rating for demons so you can more properly distinguish a level that’s actually a hard demon and a level that’s just irrelevant and doesn’t have many demon rates.
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Post by Swifter on Jun 29, 2020 19:27:43 GMT -5
Another cool thing would be if only victors could rate the difficulty of the demons.
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Post by Bagley on Jun 29, 2020 19:56:40 GMT -5
“Trivial Demon”
Ask me how I know you’re a math major
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 20:03:22 GMT -5
Maybe its just me hating on levels being hard instead of fun but i'd never want there to be another difficulty above extreme since it kinda gives incentive to build more of new said difficulty and while the lower difficulties still get levels they're never normally to the quality of extremes, so i think its fine the way it is so i say no to more difficulties apart from the idea that dragon suggested; a demon difficulty for levels that are yet to receive a rating.
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Post by mds62 on Jun 29, 2020 21:21:50 GMT -5
I would not mind something above Extreme just because of how wide the range is between the top 10 and some legacy Demons. I don't really care that much if we never get it though because pointercrate already serves its purpose quite well. Difficulties will keep increasing. In another few years, sonic wave will be in legacy list. That does not mean new demon difficulties should come once in every few years. OT: new demon difficulties are not required at all. But the star rating system must be changed. 10*: lower easy demons(eg. Platinum adventure, xstep v2, insomnia, etc.) 11*: higher easy demons(eg. X, death moon, clubstep) 12* : medium demons 13*: hard demons 14*: insane demons 15*: extreme demons
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Post by dtc on Jun 30, 2020 1:23:43 GMT -5
I would not mind something above Extreme just because of how wide the range is between the top 10 and some legacy Demons. I don't really care that much if we never get it though because pointercrate already serves its purpose quite well. Difficulties will keep increasing. In another few years, sonic wave will be in legacy list. That does not mean new demon difficulties should come once in every few years. OT: new demon difficulties are not required at all. But the star rating system must be changed. 10*: lower easy demons(eg. Platinum adventure, xstep v2, insomnia, etc.) 11*: higher easy demons(eg. X, death moon, clubstep) 12* : medium demons 13*: hard demons 14*: insane demons 15*: extreme demons The problem then is that people would overrate levels for the sake of getting stars, an the ratings would be more inaccurate. An idea would be, if that is a thing, that only mods and robtop could change demon ratings.
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Post by DrumGuyIThink on Jun 30, 2020 18:10:14 GMT -5
I would probably say harder demon after hard. And a normal demon before medium or instead of medium
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Post by TheSynner on Jun 30, 2020 21:25:12 GMT -5
“Trivial Demon” Ask me how I know you’re a math major Correct answer: the question is trivial and left as an exercise to the reader lul. ot: i think he should first , like , maybe , . . , release 2.2 or something, or, at the very least focus on more important stuff like fixing the 5 yo glitches and bugs, and optimise the game so it doesn't crash ... that often
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Post by mds62 on Jun 30, 2020 22:26:58 GMT -5
Difficulties will keep increasing. In another few years, sonic wave will be in legacy list. That does not mean new demon difficulties should come once in every few years. OT: new demon difficulties are not required at all. But the star rating system must be changed. 10*: lower easy demons(eg. Platinum adventure, xstep v2, insomnia, etc.) 11*: higher easy demons(eg. X, death moon, clubstep) 12* : medium demons 13*: hard demons 14*: insane demons 15*: extreme demons The problem then is that people would overrate levels for the sake of getting stars, an the ratings would be more inaccurate. An idea would be, if that is a thing, that only mods and robtop could change demon ratings. Yeah I agree. And The same thing applies for non demons also. People may rate every level demon.
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Post by RFMX on Jul 1, 2020 1:59:43 GMT -5
I think the 5-tier demon system can be kept for the sake of simplicity in the game. However, as people including me do want to know which of the demons in the same difficulty are easier or harder, each demon difficulty can be split into 3 tiers, creating a 15-tier system, similar to the demon ladder proposed by people in the forum before. I personally think this is best operated by the community, but not RobTop. This is mainly due to RobTop being too busy (or lazy) but another reason for this is that the community will always be much stronger than a single person.
It's actually very simple to set up a tier list. Use about a week to type every rated demon into a spreadsheet (ideally the Google one for simpler collaboration) then make it public and allow others to leave their ratings for each demons by comments or similar mechanisms. Then just average the votes and voila, rating for demons.
Speaking of demon difficulties, I think some demons need to be re-rated into Insane 9 stars. Yes, this is kind of a bad move because it affects the amount of stars and demons beaten, thereby disturbing leaderboards in the game, which is already fragile. However, very easy demons like The Nightmare and The Lightning Road are too easy that they are basically freebies for demon counts. Especially when the demon count is related to achievements, the barrier for a level being rated demon must be set wisely.
And one final note, yes, we need a default demon rating, they should not be confused with hard demons.
PS I actually typed a bunch of demons into a spreadsheet like the way I mentioned above. If you guys are interested in making that possible, let me know.
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Post by dtc on Jul 1, 2020 2:28:53 GMT -5
RFMX Rob already said he couldnt rerate the nightmare and TLR because they are in demon map packs
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Post by RFMX on Jul 1, 2020 8:25:36 GMT -5
Rob already said he couldnt rerate the nightmare and TLR because they are in demon map packs Map packs... that's dumb. RobTop probably learnt a lesson about backwards compatibility.
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