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Post by jordan853 on Mar 20, 2018 8:41:46 GMT -5
I don't understand how the two statements aren't opinions since these statements (especially the first one) could be different viewpoints of different players. I guess these statements are more like misleading thoughts or idk (I don't know) Innards is not very difficult. Plasma Pulse Finale shouldn't be in the Top 10. These are not opinions because they are STATING something. Not making a viewpoint about it. Here's the difference between an opinion and a statement: Innards IS NOT very difficult I DONT THINK Innards is very difficult So the problem is the wording and not the idea (Did I get it?) |
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Post by KneeVan on Mar 20, 2018 9:02:25 GMT -5
I don't understand how the two statements aren't opinions since these statements (especially the first one) could be different viewpoints of different players. I guess these statements are more like misleading thoughts or idk (I don't know) Innards is not very difficult. Plasma Pulse Finale shouldn't be in the Top 10. These are not opinions because they are STATING something. Not making a viewpoint about it. Here's the difference between an opinion and a statement: Innards IS NOT very difficult I DONT THINK Innards is very difficult The 2nd is an opinion, and explicitly states that it's something they think. The only possible way it's "wrong" is if the person was lying about what they were thinking. The 1st is a statement, presenting something as a FACT. They can very much be incorrect. However, in no other way is an opinion incorrect except if the person was lying about what they think, as stating your opinion is really just stating "I think _____." Using your example you could say the sentence, "Coke is better than pepsi." is not an opinion. Doesn't matter how you present it, because it is all just about the personal opinion of who is saying it. |
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Post by Arcane on Mar 20, 2018 21:17:37 GMT -5
Opinions can't be "wrong." If someone thinks something is true or better, then they are entitled to that opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they said, but you can't force them to have the same opinion as you. EDIT: With valid reasoning for their opinion. Saying some opinion just because is invalid. what if my opinion is “the earth is flat”? Of course opinions can be wrong, as long as the opinion has an objective answer. A blind person might genuinely think that everyone is lying to him, and that the sky is actually green. His opinion is wrong. If his opinion was something that can never be proven, such as “Bloodlust is harder than ppf”, then he can’t be “wrong” because a right answer will never be proven |
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Post by Dragon on Mar 20, 2018 21:19:51 GMT -5
Opinions can't be "wrong." If someone thinks something is true or better, then they are entitled to that opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they said, but you can't force them to have the same opinion as you. EDIT: With valid reasoning for their opinion. Saying some opinion just because is invalid. what if my opinion is “the earth is flat”? If you have valid reasoning behind that opinion, then I have to respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it. |
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Post by Arcane on Mar 20, 2018 21:21:40 GMT -5
what if my opinion is “the earth is flat”? If you have valid reasoning behind that opinion, then I have to respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it. Why would you respect an opinion you know with 100% certainty is wrong? edit: of course you can respect the person regardless of their opinion |
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Post by DubstepJoltik on Mar 20, 2018 21:25:28 GMT -5
Hm alright this'll be interesting
I agree with Blaze here, the wording can change everything. The word "is" would be used in an objective statement whereas a phrase such as "I think" or "I believe" would be used in a subjective statement.
A Wrinkle In Time is a bad movie. = Objective statement used incorrectly.
A Wrinkle In Time is a Disney movie. = Objective statement used correctly.
I think A Wrinkle In Time was released in 2018. = Subjective statement used incorrectly.
I think A Wrinkle In Time is a good movie. = Subjective statement used...incorrectly. It contains a being verb.
A Wrinkle In Time is my least favorite movie of the year. = Subjective statement used correctly. While it uses a being verb, it uses a personal pronoun as well, so this is a correctly written statement as long as it has a personal pronoun (my) in it.
Now, as for the opinions themselves, I do think there is a line between a "reasonable" opinion and an "unreasonable" opinion. For example, people saying BL is harder than PPF is a reasonable opinion, because there is a good explanation as to why people think this (people believe the prequel made the level easier, since some of the gameplay is the same). Now, an unreasonable opinion is Ajit Pai wanting to destroy NN, because the reason he wants to do it is just fucking stupid, on top of violating a few amendments.
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Post by Hundotte on Mar 21, 2018 21:23:30 GMT -5
I think that opinions are never wrong. As Nixty said, "bloodbath is harder than stereo madness" is a fact.
However, when it comes down to a close match, the opinion is really on how the difficulty is judged. Perhaps a level has an Insanely fast part. But someone may find a staggeringly slow level harder. That's an opinion. And opinions aren't wrong, unless they're not supported.
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Post by jordan853 on Mar 27, 2018 3:45:04 GMT -5
Sorry for bumping this thread...
I was planning to reply earlier but I have internet connection problems...
I'll just get to the point now
I noticed that some people are saying that the difficulty between two levels can only be opinionated if the two levels are close in difficulty. The problem with this statement is that whether two levels are close in difficulty or not can also be opinionated. I'll give two examples.
Example 1: Deadlocked and Nine Circles
I don't think these levels were considered close in difficulty by the community (correct me if I'm wrong) but when I beat both of these levels, I found Nine Circles and Deadlocked to be close in difficulty although I still think Nine Circles is slightly harder (keep in mind that the time difference when I beat both of these levels is less than a month)
Example 2: Nine Circles and Stalemate
I'm using Nine Circles again because why not. Same as the first example, I think the two levels are not considered as close in difficulty by the community (again, correct me if I'm wrong). I remembered that a member (probably a moderator I forgot) Lockstep mentioned that he thinks that these two levels are close in difficulty before.
Overall, I don't think opinions on difficulty should be restricted to levels that are close in difficulty since they can also be opinionated. Therefore I think the idea of the statement "Stereo Madness is harder than Bloodlust" is not really a wrong fact but more of an unreasonable opinion (although the wording probably makes the statement false).
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Post by RedWhaley14 on Mar 27, 2018 5:11:01 GMT -5
This thread made me think a lot. Let me explain it.
Opinions can never be wrong, as it is what someone else thinks, not what you think.
For example: It’s not wrong for me to think that Mir0 is a good level. It is just what’s I think.
Whenever someone says something like “The This is easy” they are stating what THEY think of the level. Someone could have more trouble with Stereo Madness than Bloodbath, you never know. Opinions are supposed to be subjective, otherwise the world would be very boring. Plus, people arguing about opinions makes great entertainment, so...
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Post by Denoxi on Mar 27, 2018 8:43:17 GMT -5
It depends on which side you are on, in short it cannot be either right or wrong.
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Post by Dogedash on Mar 27, 2018 15:55:56 GMT -5
It's like asking can pork meat be hypocrite?
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Post by Atlantist on Mar 27, 2018 22:32:26 GMT -5
yes. but it depends on the person who has the opinion and the person who is hearing the opinion.
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Post by Cadrega on Mar 28, 2018 11:47:24 GMT -5
No, of course not. An opinion is: "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.", which means it doesnt have to be based off of facts. An opinion can be stupid, but definitely not wrong
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Post by Egida on Mar 28, 2018 12:01:45 GMT -5
I'm just gonna use my favorite sentence of all times here :
"Noone has the right to have an opinion, but everyone has the right to have a documented opinion"
Which is pretty much equivalent to :
"Opinions are wrong so long as you didn't documented yourself enough on the subject"
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Post by jordan853 on Mar 29, 2018 2:50:10 GMT -5
yes. but it depends on the person who has the opinion and the person who is hearing the opinion. That's like saying if person A has an opinion, it's considered correct but if person B has the same opinion, it may be considered wrong. I'm just pointing out how flawed this answer could be |
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