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Post by jordan853 on Mar 18, 2018 7:13:12 GMT -5
*Time for one of the worst threads I ever made
Some people are saying that some opinions are wrong
Ex.
Innards is not very difficult.
Plasma Pulse Finale shouldn't be in the Top 10.
Most likely some people will say that these opinions are wrong because they disagree with them. For me, these are not wrong opinions but they're rather opinions people will most likely disagree to.
What I wondering is can opinions be wrong? I know that opinions cannot be proven so they can't be wrong but from what I noticed through conversations (like comments on youtube), it seems like some people are implying (if not stating) that some opinions can be wrong which made me wonder.
*This thread allows both GD and non-GD related thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 7:26:28 GMT -5
The statements you made aren’t really opinions. Opinions are stuff like “apples are better than oranges” or “rock music is better than EDM”. For levels which are very close in difficulty (BL and PPF), there can potentially be room for opinions, but there comes a line where you cross the boundary between opinions and straight out incorrect statements.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 7:33:44 GMT -5
there's hella wrong and BAD things to be saying in terms of opinions, but it doesn't mean it's wrong provided you give why you think something, it might sound morally wrong and such, but if there's reasoning it's still valid.
as for gd opinions for example about difficulty, usually it's about a tie in levels in the list which is each to their own provided you can back up why you think each demon belongs where.
even though i've given both of those ideas, neither of which i actually do...fuck
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Post by Dragon on Mar 18, 2018 7:36:47 GMT -5
Opinions can't be "wrong." If someone thinks something is true or better, then they are entitled to that opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they said, but you can't force them to have the same opinion as you.
EDIT: With valid reasoning for their opinion. Saying some opinion just because is invalid.
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Post by jordan853 on Mar 18, 2018 7:41:28 GMT -5
The statements you made aren’t really opinions. Opinions are stuff like “apples are better than oranges” or “rock music is better than EDM”. For levels which are very close in difficulty (BL and PPF), there can potentially be room for opinions, but there comes a line where you cross the boundary between opinions and straight out incorrect statements. I don't understand how the two statements aren't opinions since these statements (especially the first one) could be different viewpoints of different players. I guess these statements are more like misleading thoughts or idk (I don't know) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 7:41:59 GMT -5
Opinions can't be "wrong." If someone thinks something is true or better, then they are entitled to that opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they said, but you can't force them to have the same opinion as you. ”bloodlust is easier than stereo madness” isn’t an opinion though. it’s objectively wrong no matter what. |
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Post by jordan853 on Mar 18, 2018 7:47:37 GMT -5
Opinions can't be "wrong." If someone thinks something is true or better, then they are entitled to that opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they said, but you can't force them to have the same opinion as you. ”bloodlust is easier than stereo madness” isn’t an opinion though. it’s objectively wrong no matter what. It's not really a wrong opinion but it's more like an opinion without thought (or an opinion people will most likely disagree with) but it's not necessarily wrong |
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Post by Dragon on Mar 18, 2018 8:09:00 GMT -5
Opinions can't be "wrong." If someone thinks something is true or better, then they are entitled to that opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they said, but you can't force them to have the same opinion as you. ”bloodlust is easier than stereo madness” isn’t an opinion though. it’s objectively wrong no matter what. I edited my post with something to add a bit more clarity as to what I mean. |
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Post by TimeLink on Mar 18, 2018 12:00:52 GMT -5
Opinions, by definition, can never be wrong because opinions are entirely subjective and therefore are only an expression of the thoughts of a certain subject on a certain topic. Thoughts, and thus, personal opnions can never be wrong because for something to be wrong or right, it needs to be a fact, an entirely objective one.
That is to say, if a person states for instance: "Electrodynamix is harder than Clubstep", then that is because the person thought that Electrodynamix was harder, having more trouble than on Clubstep overall. This is entirely subjective. Even the argument "But one of them is an Insane, while the other is a Demon" is not entirely valid not completely objective because in this case, thinking that Clubstep is harder than Electrodynamix was the subjective opinion of RobTop. It doesn't matter whether the opinion is commonly shared or generally seen "correct", opinions such as the original statement cannot be wrong, because opinions can only really be argumented against using - again - opinions, which are subjective themselves and therefore not truly valid arguments. If you were to argue against opinions with actual facts, such as "2 and 2 make 4" opposing the statement "2 and 2 make 5", you're not arguing against an opinion, but a fact, though a wrong one at that.
And since opinions can only be countered using opinions, and not by facts, and opinions themselves cannot be "right" or "wrong", an opinion itself cannot be "wrong".
This probably came out more complicated and harder to follow than I really wanted, but I think this should speak for itself, really.
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Post by CreativeGuy on Mar 18, 2018 12:25:23 GMT -5
Opinions can't be wrong, ever, as that's what an opinion is. However, opinions can be derived from incorrect information, which is the closest thing to an opinion being wrong, but still doesn't make it incorrect.
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Post by o on Mar 19, 2018 11:04:32 GMT -5
I mean if someone genuinely thinks Stereo Madness is harder than Bloodlust, then I would respect his opinion
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Post by Navianya on Mar 19, 2018 11:09:11 GMT -5
If your opinion is someone is a criminal due to skin colour then yes your opinion is wrong.
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Post by jordan853 on Mar 19, 2018 12:11:00 GMT -5
If your opinion is someone is a criminal due to skin colour then yes your opinion is wrong. For me, that's more like an incorrect fact since it can be proven whether being in a specific skin color is considered as breaking the law or not |
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Post by climbatize on Mar 19, 2018 18:35:10 GMT -5
Opinions can't be wrong, ever, as that's what an opinion is. However, opinions can be derived from incorrect information, which is the closest thing to an opinion being wrong, but still doesn't make it incorrect. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the correct answer. In my case, if someone makes a statement that Im not agree with, I always quote The Dude:  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:11:31 GMT -5
The statements you made aren’t really opinions. Opinions are stuff like “apples are better than oranges” or “rock music is better than EDM”. For levels which are very close in difficulty (BL and PPF), there can potentially be room for opinions, but there comes a line where you cross the boundary between opinions and straight out incorrect statements. I don't understand how the two statements aren't opinions since these statements (especially the first one) could be different viewpoints of different players. I guess these statements are more like misleading thoughts or idk (I don't know) Innards is not very difficult. Plasma Pulse Finale shouldn't be in the Top 10. These are not opinions because they are STATING something. Not making a viewpoint about it. Here's the difference between an opinion and a statement: Innards IS NOT very difficult I DONT THINK Innards is very difficult The 2nd is an opinion, and explicitly states that it's something they think. The only possible way it's "wrong" is if the person was lying about what they were thinking. The 1st is a statement, presenting something as a FACT. They can very much be incorrect. However, in no other way is an opinion incorrect except if the person was lying about what they think, as stating your opinion is really just stating "I think _____." |
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